worst class in classic

[lubyen13]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If that character is a few levels higher than you they take more of your EXP than a hybrid close to your level does

You are spot on! even a 40% penalty class is usually only equivalent of 1-2 levels. 95% of players still think the "penalty" actually affects ur character by taking away X% of exp.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by lubyen13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are spot on! even a 40% penalty class is usually only equivalent of 1-2 levels. 95% of players still think the "penalty" actually affects ur character by taking away X% of exp.

I mean, technically it does. Regardless of how it works, the result is the same. The penalty is shared across the group so it indirectly takes away your EXP.

[Gatorsmash]

Originally Posted by lubyen13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are spot on! even a 40% penalty class is usually only equivalent of 1-2 levels. 95% of players still think the "penalty" actually affects ur character by taking away X% of exp.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, technically it does. Regardless of how it works, the result is the same. The penalty is shared across the group so it indirectly takes away your EXP.

Its significant and I play a SK so understand the hate. The wiki has a great write up on it.

And the worst class is still Paladin.

[Tenderizer]

Originally Posted by lubyen13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are spot on! even a 40% penalty class is usually only equivalent of 1-2 levels. 95% of players still think the "penalty" actually affects ur character by taking away X% of exp.

A higher level charecter steals way more xp from the group than an average level hybrid. Plus, I'm pretty sure the calc for group distro is level based and then the hybrids take their xp cut after the group is given their xp. so yes, if you have even a rogue 4 levels higher than everyone else in group they will steal more xp from the group than a hybrid of equal level.

Originally Posted by Smellybuttface [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-Ranger tops the list. 40% exp penalty, low utility in a group beyond snare, lowest damage out of the pure DPS classes. People will argue “but a Ranger can tank if none of the other 3 are available! They have more sustained DPS than a Wizard!”

penalty doesnt matter as much as you think, see above.
snare,levi,invis,root,harmony, and the many other lower level but still useful spells that can stack in some groups.

low damage? subjective, ranger with cof would do more damage than most others that have lesser haste/gear. the idea that if its not meta its not worth it permeates this server.

Ranger can tank very well in classic up to 40-45 with minimal gear and do fine. higher tier mobs are reserved for tanks' duh.

There are no bad classes, only bad players and meta fags

[Asteria]

Originally Posted by Tenderizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A higher level charecter steals way more xp from the group than an average level hybrid. Plus, I'm pretty sure the calc for group distro is level based and then the hybrids take their xp cut after the group is given their xp. so yes, if you have even a rogue 4 levels higher than everyone else in group they will steal more xp from the group than a hybrid of equal level.



penalty doesnt matter as much as you think, see above.
snare,levi,invis,root,harmony, and the many other lower level but still useful spells that can stack in some groups.

low damage? subjective, ranger with cof would do more damage than most others that have lesser haste/gear. the idea that if its not meta its not worth it permeates this server.

Ranger can tank very well in classic up to 40-45 with minimal gear and do fine. higher tier mobs are reserved for tanks' duh.

There are no bad classes, only bad players and meta fags

This guy gets it!! +100 points

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[Smellybuttface]

Originally Posted by Tenderizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A higher level charecter steals way more xp from the group than an average level hybrid. Plus, I'm pretty sure the calc for group distro is level based and then the hybrids take their xp cut after the group is given their xp. so yes, if you have even a rogue 4 levels higher than everyone else in group they will steal more xp from the group than a hybrid of equal level.



penalty doesnt matter as much as you think, see above.
snare,levi,invis,root,harmony, and the many other lower level but still useful spells that can stack in some groups.

low damage? subjective, ranger with cof would do more damage than most others that have lesser haste/gear. the idea that if its not meta its not worth it permeates this server.

Ranger can tank very well in classic up to 40-45 with minimal gear and do fine. higher tier mobs are reserved for tanks' duh.

There are no bad classes, only bad players and meta fags

Haven’t ever cared about meta, only my time. I mained a Ranger back in the live EQ days, so I don’t think they’re a bad class at all, but in Classic they are very underwhelming given their penalty and middle of the road DPS. Of course if they have a CoF and all BiS they’d be doing better than 50% of DPS on the server, but I’m assuming equal geared/equal level characters.

Same reason I’m skittish about the penalty is also why I wouldn’t take someone 4 levels higher than the group generally. If I’m group leader, I’m not going to make a choice that hurts the group in a benefit/burden sense. It’s unfair of me to put that on the group.

Their exp penalty is assessed on the group before experience is divvied out to everyone, not after. Wiki explains it much better than I can. It’s definitely noticeable though, especially with multiple hybrids in a group. If people are so butthurt about groups not taking the exp penalty, then they can either play a different class, solo, or only play with friends/guild mates and not a bunch of rando’s. Not saying I wouldn’t not ever take a hybrid, but given the choice between a DPS with a penalty and one without, I’ll take the one without.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Smellybuttface [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haven’t ever cared about meta, only my time. I mained a Ranger back in the live EQ days, so I don’t think they’re a bad class at all, but in Classic they are very underwhelming given their penalty and middle of the road DPS. Of course if they have a CoF and all BiS they’d be doing better than 50% of DPS on the server, but I’m assuming equal geared/equal level characters.

Same reason I’m skittish about the penalty is also why I wouldn’t take someone 4 levels higher than the group generally. If I’m group leader, I’m not going to make a choice that hurts the group in a benefit/burden sense. It’s unfair of me to put that on the group.

Their exp penalty is assessed on the group before experience is divvied out to everyone, not after. Wiki explains it much better than I can. It’s definitely noticeable though, especially with multiple hybrids in a group. If people are so butthurt about groups not taking the exp penalty, then they can either play a different class, solo, or only play with friends/guild mates and not a bunch of rando’s. Not saying I wouldn’t not ever take a hybrid, but given the choice between a DPS with a penalty and one without, I’ll take the one without.

Say the group leader invites a Wizard, despite one or two objections. That player does fine. Rooting. Nuking low health mobs before/as they gate and begin to cheal.
Best of all, not pulling aggro or AFKing excessively. And they ported everyone out after the group finished the xp session. Other party members might still have wanted
a rogue or bard to fill that last slot, but you made the decision. Then, months later, an earthquake or gm event happens and that Wizard friend you made from all of
those invites sends you a tell, saying to run to the nearest wiz spire. You get there before all of the other min/maxing meta players because they didn't factor in the
social aspect of gameplay and the spells that have nothing to do with sustained damage output or heals. It's similar to the story of the Chinese farmer. "Maybe."

[kjs86z]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Say the group leader invites a Wizard, despite one or two objections. That player does fine. Rooting. Nuking low health mobs before/as they gate and begin to cheal.
Best of all, not pulling aggro or AFKing excessively. And they ported everyone out after the group finished the xp session. Other party members might still have wanted
a rogue or bard to fill that last slot, but you made the decision. Then, months later, an earthquake or gm event happens and that Wizard friend you made from all of
those invites sends you a tell, saying to run to the nearest wiz spire. You get there before all of the other min/maxing meta players because they didn't factor in the
social aspect of gameplay and the spells that have nothing to do with sustained damage output or heals. It's similar to the story of the Chinese farmer. "Maybe."

This never happens. Consider Blue.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This never happens. Consider Blue.

Maybe.

[Danth]

Solution to the problem of always being asked to eat deathtouch: Tell the guild "No." See, that was easy. Once in awhile is simply part of such encounters, but if a player's always being asked to do it he should stand up for himself. Too many players allow themselves to be treated like dirt.