Wizards! Do you regret it?

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Implying a good group is guarunteed? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just playin' you a little on the comment don't freak out. Here's the deal...

Most groups I've had experiences with have a "gotta go" every 2 hours or so, no two players are on the same schedule. Then there's the down time of looking for certain classes etc with a seb key or are waiting outside the bubble no less. Mention of Karnor's XP is omitted because I always made less there than doing almost anything else.

But my point I guess I'm trying to make, is I had a higher play time and could bank on consistent/measurable XP and could bank on the fact that I was completely self reliant. My AFKs didn't piss anyone off etc.

Now, also, will a group take a 57+ wizard over a 51 rogue with "lesser gear"? These are also points to consider. You'll get groups but for grinding out mobs fast, I yield to a well geared rogue being a grind machine.

That said, whenever I was called to Seb for xp or pvp, I always went..

I agree with ya - that's why i do solo. Groups are erratic and it can be frustrating to make every effort and not get one.

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, I did spirocs until 53. Though it certainly slowed down towards the end it was still quiet and decent exp. You should really go for pillar of lightning before you try raptors as they have >4khp. I did entrance to KC (ravishings n' ragers) to 55 because raptors is so busy -- was quite nice.

You want to steer away from BW. Too many roamers and few safe places to med. Often wound up having to spend more time dodging roamers then I did quadding and killing stuff.

Thanks - Yeah, I might stick to Dreadlands for a while after i hit 53. That was my experience in BW as well - it was okay, but actually finding 4 mobs without aggroing extra junk or aggroing while medding was a pain.


Then again, I might just grind my 40 necro instead :P

[Muleworth]

"-Rain spells are HIGHLY underrated. They are perfect for casting and then medding while damage continues to hit the mob. Some wizards think that because they are aoe spells, that they should be used for multiple mobs....but the best use for these are when you have a single mob in camp. If no resists the mob will drop real fast!"

Second this. The only time I've really felt like a bad motherf-er on my wizard is pre-kunark doing AE at the royals in sol B.

Everyone's too conditioned to mez/cc adds and fight 1 mob, AE groups are great stuff.

[Akim]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, Maelstrom, I would say your post is very off-base. Wizards are not really better at chaining pulling than any other class (and your definition of chain pulling is not how such a thing should be done, if you're trying to be as efficient as possible). You don't need root, you just need a group that pays attention and tags the mobs as soon as you bring them in. Root is certainly helpful but it's such a widespread ability in the game that it doesn't set Wizards apart.

"Can't find a group? Make friends with a few mages or necros. These classes work well together in a duo type scenario" - This is an absurd statement. A necro or mage, who are perfectly capable of soloing, are not going to want to group with a freaking Wizard. All you'll do is slow them down with your inefficient ass. Also, rain spells are highly underrated? Riiiiight, have fun with those resists.



Oh please, what a tired and lame argument. Tons of people who play Everquest as a game (rather than trying to constantly farm/grind) dislike Wizards because of how poorly they were implemented. People want to contribute to a group, have fun with their buddies, and feel like they are pulling their weight. Wizards do not pull their weight. "The role that a wizard takes on" is supposed to be doing damage; the class was billed as being "masters of magical damage". Aside from magical damage sucking more and more as the game goes along, Wizards are usually not even the best class at it.

A Shaman later in the game will often do more DPS than a Wizard on nukes alone because of their superior mana regeneration. Then you add in the pet and it becomes a total joke. Not to mention Shaman can throw a poison DoT which is far more efficient than anything the Wizard can cast in fights that last 30+ seconds. That's only one aspect of the Shaman's abilities as well. They have amazing debuffs, they have amazing buffs, they can heal, and they even get ROOT. In comparison, Wizards have teleports and second-rate stuns. Nowhere close to balanced.

Hithrohir is dead-on with what he said on the last page. Burst damage simply isn't very useful in this game and Wizards aren't even that superior at doing burst damage, when compared to the damage output a Summoner (oops, I mean Magician, oops I mean Mage...why the hell did they name that class Magician???) can do between their pet and their own nukes within that same timeframe. When I played a Magician, I was often able to outdamage Wizards who came along and thought they could KS a camp by racing me to the kill.

Do you have both a shaman and a wizard end game?
Bet I do. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Until then, I'll ask you not to direct words in my direction.

[Wizerud]

Originally Posted by TheBlackSheep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't plan on being Mr. Raid Guy and since most of my leveling will be done with 1 or 2 other friends, perhaps I should quit while I'm ahead.

I think I'm going to shelve ole Alzar now at level 10 as opposed to regretting sticking it out for 60 levels.

Thing is though, if you do have 1 or 2 friends that you're gonna be levelling with the majority of the time it makes the whole process a lot less boring on a wizard. If they are your friends, they shouldn't mind who you play and there will be the odd occasion where they'll be damn glad you played a wizard.

[Nirgon]

You can also solo high keep nobles / bards [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS: I'm not hearing any of that faction nonsense today!

[PearlJammzz]

Wizards, once AA's come out, are one of the single best classes to play. I have seen one solo take raid XP from 40 other ppl all grouped up. They get AMAZING with AA's, and really come into their own in Velious. Right now they are AMAZING for raid targets (trak) but not as amazing as a rogue in a group.

They are far from useless and GREAT if fighting caster mobs (chain interrupt, woots!). AMAZING for raid targets, and pretty decent utility. Most amazing EQ class? Not at this point. Worthless? Far from.

If this server goes into Luclin and beyond (AA's) I will be going back to a Wizard. They become demigods, no joke. You just have to have the AA's

[PearlJammzz]

Shit is messed up on this server if a mage is out-burt DPSing a wizzie at level 60 in Kunark. Maybe that's why they just knocked pet damage down?

Pets started out VERY op'd on this server. Mages were really OP'd in classic and that translated to here as well. On live Kunark/Velious era and beyond mages had no chance at burtst DPS over a wizzie, none.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by PearlJammzz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizards, once AA's come out, are one of the single best classes to play. I have seen one solo take raid XP from 40 other ppl all grouped up. They get AMAZING with AA's, and really come into their own in Velious. Right now they are AMAZING for raid targets (trak) but not as amazing as a rogue in a group.

They are far from useless and GREAT if fighting caster mobs (chain interrupt, woots!). AMAZING for raid targets, and pretty decent utility. Most amazing EQ class? Not at this point. Worthless? Far from.

If this server goes into Luclin and beyond (AA's) I will be going back to a Wizard. They become demigods, no joke. You just have to have the AA's

This post just brought back some memories. I remember I would go to raids and avoid joining groups (this was prior to raid xp) until I had to so I could get sweet xp. After a while though I would get spammed with invites whenever I showed up for a raid.

AAs definitely did a lot for Wizards, and those improved damage items mmmmm. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Trelaboon]

Well, in spite of all of the negative things i've read, I decided that my heart was into a Wizard. I never tried one in live, and the ports sound fun and tempting, so despite what most of you have said, i'm gonna be playing one. The name is Dravex, and i'm level 15 now, look forward to suffering along through this classic experience with the rest of you gluttons for punishment (Wizards). =D See you in game!

[TheBlackSheep]

Originally Posted by Trelaboon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, in spite of all of the negative things i've read, I decided that my heart was into a Wizard. I never tried one in live, and the ports sound fun and tempting, so despite what most of you have said, i'm gonna be playing one. The name is Dravex, and i'm level 15 now, look forward to suffering along through this classic experience with the rest of you gluttons for punishment (Wizards). =D See you in game!

I did too, but that lasted ...oh, about 10 levels, heh. I quit live long ago because I wasn't having fun anymore. I'm not doing that again. I totally dig the nostalgia, but it is only 50% of why I started again on 1999. The other 50% is entertainment. But hey, whatever floats the ole boat. Good on ya man!

Azorath