Wizards! Do you regret it?

RiffDaemon · #1 06-23-2011, 01:42 PM

I understand where Zura's coming from. I don't get to play very much - like, hardly at all. When I get a spare two hours to do something, I'd like to spend that time advancing (i.e. grinding) if at all possible. When I run around SoW'ing everyone, my manatank is on empty by the time I get where I want to be. Then, I have to wait for it all to come back, buff myself to Hell, and wait for it all to come back again before I can start killing anything. So, I end up spending most of my time sitting down and staring at my spellbook .. figuratively speaking, of course.

However, my character is a mushy teddy-bear of a troll who loves to help everyone whenever possible, and that's part of my enjoyment of playing the game. Hell, I ran from the farside of the pit in OT all the way to Skyfire to give someone a SoW, and I ended up dying from a high-level tiger that spawned on top of me, losing almost half an orange of xp in the process. That sucked, and it sure wasn't an efficient use of my time; but, I'll do it again and again if someone asks.

I don't expect that out of everyone; that's MY personal code. Zura has his own code and his own expectations, and that sounds perfectly fine to me.

soup · #2 06-23-2011, 03:27 PM

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I understand where Zura's coming from. I don't get to play very much - like, hardly at all. When I get a spare two hours to do something, I'd like to spend that time advancing (i.e. grinding) if at all possible. When I run around SoW'ing everyone, my manatank is on empty by the time I get where I want to be. Then, I have to wait for it all to come back, buff myself to Hell, and wait for it all to come back again before I can start killing anything. So, I end up spending most of my time sitting down and staring at my spellbook .. figuratively speaking, of course.

However, my character is a mushy teddy-bear of a troll who loves to help everyone whenever possible, and that's part of my enjoyment of playing the game. Hell, I ran from the farside of the pit in OT all the way to Skyfire to give someone a SoW, and I ended up dying from a high-level tiger that spawned on top of me, losing almost half an orange of xp in the process. That sucked, and it sure wasn't an efficient use of my time; but, I'll do it again and again if someone asks.

I don't expect that out of everyone; that's MY personal code. Zura has his own code and his own expectations, and that sounds perfectly fine to me.

"Personal code" crap aside, what I took issue with wasn't the reluctance to freely SOW people, but rather the fact that he seems to think it's "flat-out rude to ask for a buff without offering something in return." If someone thinks it's rude when someone politely asks for something without offering a BJ in return, the person who thinks it's rude has got be one pretentious fucker.

RiffDaemon · #3 06-23-2011, 03:53 PM

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If someone thinks it's rude when someone politely asks for something without offering a BJ in return, the person who thinks it's rude has got be one pretentious fucker.

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Zuranthium · #4 06-23-2011, 05:25 PM

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If someone thinks it's rude when someone politely asks for something without offering a BJ in return, the person who thinks it's rude has got be one pretentious fucker.

I never said it had to be extravagant, although I definitely give buffs for BJs if you can fit my cock in your mouth, rather it's a simple matter of asking "Hello, may I please buy XXX buff from you?" instead of "Hello, can you give me XXX buff please?"

Even if you're nice about it, there is a level of disrespect if you don't offer something in return first. Unless you are on friendly terms of course. (roleplaying counts as "offering something" in my book as well -- you're providing entertainment)

Atmas · #5 06-23-2011, 05:51 PM

I love the two concurrent topics in this thread.

Wizards could use crits. They eventually added innate crits to the class. Harvest which restores around 10% of Wizard mana would also be pretty nice to have here.

Wizards really started to shine when AAs came into play.

Skope · #6 06-23-2011, 06:09 PM

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Wizards really started to shine when AAs came into play.

I think "shine" isn't the proper term. They started becoming more viable in a group scenario with AA's (outside of AoE) because they evened out the damage output and longevity/usefulness, along with rangers, SKs, pallies.

WizardEQ · #7 06-23-2011, 06:31 PM

Everyone should play this game exactly as they wish.

Problems arise when you start expecting others to play similar to your playing style. Classes compliment each other, some better than others. Wizards love enchanters. Warriors love shamans. Jesus loves clerics.

As a wizard, I cannot tell you the countless times I've been randomly thrown a Clarity. I might have to scroll up a dozen lines to see who it was and send a tell thanking them (which I always do). Do I expect a random C? Never. Do I love it when it's thrown my way. Absolutely!

Having only ever played a wizard, I know I will be expected to provide ports when I hit 29. It will be up to me, and only me, to decide who gets one and who does not. When I played in '99-'02, I was VERY generous granting requests for ports only when I was not fighting in a group. If I'm grouped and some idiot sends a tell "Port to NK 100pp" that will always be ignored; it wouldn't be fair to the group. Idiots don't take time to realize when someone is busy (in Unrest, Seb) or not (in EC or somewhere neutral). The original population is 12 years older so most have matured beyond that point but there are still a lot of insensitive people out there.

As for the efficiency of wizards in a group, I got 8 yellows last night in almost 5 hours and dinged twice. The group was Ranger, Cleric, Pally, 2 Wizards, Druid. We had a blast (yup) in Unrest with near continuous pulls, even with the CE group training to zone and killing 2 members which cost us around 15-20 minutes of downtime. Sure, you could assemble a group to probably get 10 yellows in that time, but it might not have been as fun!

This topic has been going on since March 16, 1999, and frankly I'm sick of it.

Xaxian

ryandward · #8 06-23-2011, 08:06 PM

Just thought about this... Why do Mages get the Malosi line of spells, and not Wizards? Not asking for Malosi, but it doesn't make sense to me why they would get it, when their life doesn't depend on their nukes as much as Wizards.

greatdane · #9 06-23-2011, 08:11 PM

Because wizards get near-unresistable lures, and a minor -resist check on their normal nukes.

soup · #10 06-23-2011, 06:02 PM

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I never said it had to be extravagant, although I definitely give buffs for BJs if you can fit my cock in your mouth, rather it's a simple matter of asking "Hello, may I please buy XXX buff from you?" instead of "Hello, can you give me XXX buff please?"

Even if you're nice about it, there is a level of disrespect if you don't offer something in return first. Unless you are on friendly terms of course. (roleplaying counts as "offering something" in my book as well -- you're providing entertainment)

There is a huge disparity in perspective here. You're talking about it like it's some piece of property being given, received, bought, sold, whatever. I'm looking at it as clicking on someone and pushing the "6" on my keyboard.