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Originally Posted by Sancta
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Do you have any examples of Kittens attempting competitive targets? As in - the raid mob is up and more than 1 guild is going for it? Choosing not to compete with competitive targets excludes you from having a say creating competitive rules, especially if you don't even have a full grasp on the rules/mechanics/meta of being competitive.
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KWSM often contests Aary -> to the right side, on quakes as well as natural respawn. I believe some time in the last month or two, we snaked an Aary out from AG / F. We were literally all up in the aary hall together the last server reset before the suspension. AG / F came and leapfrogged us on Fesh, but we got Dagarn (+1 drake - an aggressive engage for us). Obviously, given the number of times they've followed us and then leapfrogged to get FTE, AG / F must consider us at least competitive enough that they don't feel like they can leave mobs that are in our path, and still have them available for too long.
The further out from quakes we get, the less we usually do that as we just don't have the people/inclination to sock those timers are they get more and more spread out. We approach things somewhat differently, but don't mistake our choosing when we want to compete as an inability or unwillingness to do so. We just try to optimize our time spent.
It won't be long before you're moving the goalposts even further, saying "Only guilds that do a 6-guard Vulak engage deserve any say in the raid rules!" That is absurd. We all raid here, to one degree or another. The server enforced rules affect all of us, since we all have to abide by them. To be frank - even if we only contested outdoor Kunark dragons we should have a voice in the design and implementation of new rules. Stalling is a relevant factor on the Sev and Gore pulls. Faydedar is still an FTE mob that would lock us out of other content until it's dead.
Kittens doesn't need to also be suspended in order to deserve a voice in that process. The suspension is the punishment for the guilds that have acted so poorly as to cause an entire breakdown of the raid scene in the GM's eyes. Why should KWSM, who have not acted in this fashion, also be subject to that punishment?