2020 Post Election MEGAthread

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem--the danger, rather--of being liberal-minded is that you have to have the presence of mind to recognize when the battle is won and the goals are achieved. Otherwise you get mission creep and a very real slippery slope such as has happened to any number of reformist movements. Few people are willing to admit "job's done" and in so doing put themselves out of work.

Considering the US pulled out of the Paris agreement and nearly half the voting electorate voted for a climate change-denying misogynist idiot, to say 'Job's done' would be the worst thing to say. The 'job' is most certainly not done.

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering the US pulled out of the Paris agreement and nearly half the voting electorate voted for a climate change-denying misogynist idiot, to say 'Job's done' would be the worst thing to say. The 'job' is most certainly not done.

You didn't really address his point, you just said trump is bad again. His point, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, is that building a political or social identity around fighting against something necessarily entails that you must continue to find that thing at all costs, no matter how much progress has occured in remedying it. Racism in america used to mean owning black african slaves. Now it means a white cop shooting a black person for literally any reason. I've posed this question before and still haven't gotten a straight answer from anybody; in what scenario do you personally feel a white cop is justified in shooting a black person? Please be as specific as possible.

To be more clear: We currently live in a political climate where a cop shooting a guy (if he happens to be black) who is chasing after him or her with a knife is considered a racist murderer, and people riot over it; causing far more damage than the actual incident. Such a reaction is patently absurd and insane. Cops do not have a responsibility to wait until they are stabbed in the head to deal with somebody who they have already warned fifty times to stop. Thinking this way is pure moral confusion, and is a perfect example of how this mission creep manifests itself. The cop HAS to be racist, cause... shit, we're running out of racists, and a white man killed a black man. So... pretty much the same as slavery no? Forget all the other details. That's the point.

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering the US pulled out of the Paris agreement and nearly half the voting electorate voted for a climate change-denying misogynist idiot, to say 'Job's done' would be the worst thing to say. The 'job' is most certainly not done.

Danth is a trusted source around here. He’s a reasonable person such as myself. It’s easy to see when the right goes too far, racial superiority stuff. When does the left go too far? When they’ve killed 30 million to achieve “utopia” ?

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Danth is a trusted source around here. He’s a reasonable person such as myself. It’s easy to see when the right goes too far, racial superiority stuff. When does the left go too far? When they’ve killed 30 million to achieve “utopia” ?

It’s funny how WW2 and the Holocaust are “Oh, just racial superiority stuff”, that really shows your immense bias.

I don’t need to be ‘more specific’, the job most certainly isn’t done, that should be blindingly obvious to anyone who realises we don’t live in a fair and equal society and that there are countries that are way way worse than ours even for this sort of thing.

[theaetatus]

It is also an amazing leap of cognitive bias to see ‘gay/trans rights and an end to systemic racism’ and immediately think ‘OMG STALIN!!!11’.

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s funny how WW2 and the Holocaust are “Oh, just racial superiority stuff”, that really shows your immense bias.

I don’t need to be ‘more specific’, the job most certainly isn’t done, that should be blindingly obvious to anyone who realises we don’t live in a fair and equal society and that there are countries that are way way worse than ours even for this sort of thing.

So the left hasn’t gone too far so let’s not define it so we can continue until we achieve a nameless goal at all costs.

My point about the right is to make a line in the sand when we all an ideology has gone too far and needs to be stopped. As you showcased the left refuses to admit that they can even go too far...until...whoops we killed millions of people.

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the left hasn’t gone too far so let’s not define it so we can continue until we achieve a nameless goal at all costs.

My point about the right is to make a line in the sand when we all an ideology has gone too far and needs to be stopped. As you showcased the left refuses to admit that they can even go too far...until...whoops we killed millions of people.

You really fail to see the total disconnect between 'the left' as in liberal values, LBTQ and minority rights and 'the left' as in Marxist totalitarian regimes. It doesn't surprise me but really, have a think.

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really fail to see the total disconnect between 'the left' as in liberal values, LBTQ and minority rights and 'the left' as in Marxist totalitarian regimes. It doesn't surprise me but really, have a think.

Anytime you put a qualifier in front of the word justice, people know you're selling something. Think about that and get back to me. Also I suggest you read some Marxism because the playbook is the same.

If it quacks like a duck...

[Baler]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anytime you put a qualifier in front of the word justice, people know you're selling something. Think about that and get back to me. Also I suggest you read some Marxism because the playbook is the same.

If it quacks like a duck...

"know your enemy" - The Art of War by Sun Tzu

[cd288]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering the US pulled out of the Paris agreement and nearly half the voting electorate voted for a climate change-denying misogynist idiot, to say 'Job's done' would be the worst thing to say. The 'job' is most certainly not done.

This is also very true

I think there’s a difference between saying going to far on racial/gender/orientation stuff vs. climate change. As a Republican I don’t think there’s too far we can go on climate change...it’s a critically important issue