2020 Post Election MEGAthread

[Baler]

Originally Posted by imperiouskitten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hope u dont think i liekd them granpa. Your emotional response tells the whole tale. I wish you could have a civil convo with me!

All you had to do was go to Japan with me and bang some caffe maids.
Instead you went and changed while I was away.

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[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you watch the entire 20+ minute long body cam footage, the cops *were* being incredibly polite and civil,

I totally disagree! I see them act agitated, confused, impatient and then totally out of control.

I see another man who was sitting there fine, until they walked him over somewhere else and then asked him to sit somewhere else and he panicked and freaked out and they panicked and freaked out and then someone died.

This is not the first time I have looked at a video with someone who is on the other side on this issue, and we both look at the SAME VIDEO and I see a bunch of fuckups on the police and a person who is easily dealt with but the police lose their cool. And the person next to me see's the exact opposite.

So, honestly I dont know what to say about this issue.

[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All you had to do was go to Japan with me and bang some caffe maids.
Instead you went and changed while I was away.

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sorry boo

a thug changes

and love changes

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[Jibartik]

What about that couple that was playing crash bandicoot and the cops came to the door guns drawn and shot the kid in the chest and then laughed at the woman litearlly while they stood over his dead body?

Is that good police work?

I just dont understand how everything is an all or nothing issue, everything is all or nothing.

We made friggen covid political its insane.

Want kids to have access to a free and excellent education? well not until we make it a divisive conflict between our political parties!

I wish we elected trump and just had the damn civil war its more inevitable than skynet lol

[imperiouskitten]

btw Baler, i think i am gonna kick the dope again soon which i am prescribed. my hands finally "rounded the turn". I'll get on it as soon as I know this isn't another honeymoon period, there have been those in the past but this one is definitely different. typing by hand again is so fun.

so dont look down on me. uve never lost ur arms nor legs in horrific pain I reckon. I don't even drink beers you know! juris and me party with energy drinks (i dont let him smoke pot no mo). I think plato said socrates said that philosophers are supposed to have tasted every single pleasure anyway, although i know they were f@gs and you arent down with that. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this post deserves a million upboats btw. For 2 years I have earnestly believed I lost fine motor control for life and was doomed to constant excruciation forever. but it just came back online just like that in the last 6 weeks or so, after my husband invented this nerve floss technique that unstuck my little strings. (better physical therapist than Lune)

[hobart]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about this: Give the police *more* funding so that they can hire social workers. Social workers are already a thing, they are dispatched to situations that call for their expertise. What people have been proposing, which is completely idiotic, is that social workers be dispatched to situations where there is an imminent lethal threat. Cops already perform the role of social worker in many situations, for example when they talk jumpers off the ledges of buildings all the time.

Suggesting that a social worker should be called in when somebody like george floyd, who had an extensive violent criminal history (he robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint, among other things) and had been in prison fourteen times, which the cops *are aware of* as soon as they ID him and look up his priors, is insane. Or somebody like jacob blake, or that dude waving a knife around, or literally any of the other people that have inspired rioting this year. This is what armed police are for.. It's super easy to criticize them after the fact when it wasn't you whose life was in danger.

George Floyd's criminal history isn't relevant. From top to bottom it was a failure of training and procedure. Surely three people could subdue him in a way that protected his safety.

I have a good bit of sympathy for the two officers that were relatively green, who weren't training officers, and who didn't kneel on George Floyd's neck for the length of your average Led Zeppelin song.

The issue I find most troubling with a lot of these cases of "abuse" is that the egregious behavior often isn't breaking the law. The idea that fear is automatically a reason to use deadly force needs to be reconsidered. Risking your life to serve others is part of the job.

I think the one thing we might be able to agree on is that "defund the police" is a stupid slogan that means different things to different people and each interpretation is almost universally a bad idea.

I'm really disappointed that Trumpism wasn't impugned at the ballot box this last cycle, but I was glad to see that performative wokeness from the illiberal left was.

[Jibartik]

I wish I could fast travel to the first major event that defines what this new election means for the next 4 years lol

[douglas1999]

I've made this point a million times, but it bares repeating: Cops do not have a responsibility to wait until they themselves get shot, stabbed or killed before they deploy lethal force. People will often bend over backward to make excuses for the criminal offenders who die as a direct result of their own actions, but can't even give a cop the benefit of the doubt when they shoot somebody who is charging them with a knife, after they have repeatedly told them to put it down. Does this mean that cops never fuck up and kill somebody unjustly? Obviously no. Does it mean there aren't legitimate cases of psychos becoming cops on a power trip? Obviously no. But *all* of the recent police shootings that have resulted in rioting were completely, obviously justified shootings.

George floyd wasn't even a shooting, he almost certainly died as a result of a fentanyl overdose. He was saying that he couldn't breath way before the cops even put him on the ground, which by the way he *asked them to do*. He said "put me on the ground man", and they did. People can't get beyond the optics though. Dead guy is black, cop is white (even though often they aren't even white), so let's riot! Who cares that jacob blake showed up to his ex-girlfriend's house because SHE called the cops and he was violating a restraining order and ignoring every single chance they gave him to simply stop, and they tried tazing him and it didn't work, and then he opened his car door and reached in. What the hell would *you* do in that situation, if you were the cop? It's a valuable question to ask yourself.

I used to be a very punk anarchist super lefty fuck the police type, then I thought about whether I would ever want to do their job and realized; oh FUCK no.

[imperiouskitten]

I can get beyond the optics dude, I checked the coroner's report and it's plausible he died of a fentanyl OD even tho not conclusive. But fent OD doesn't explain why he was wildin out. Opiates don't make you wild out and flap your arms. He didn't panic because of opiates. It's not marijuana or LSD, no anxiety potential, you don't have a paradoxical response to opiates. And it's not an 80s movie where you pop a pill and then jump off a roof cause you believe you're invincible. Or see cartoon elephants. The fentanyl thing is a nonsequitur. Whether the guy died of the knee on the neck or not literally doesn't matter.

Fact is, he had a knee on his neck long enough to kill him. So the cop did wrong. It's your bad luck if you drive your car thru a crowd in Charlottesville and a bowled-over whale gets a heart attack and dies; that makes you a terrorist. Get your knee off his neck if you don't want credit for the perhaps incidental death.

[BarnabusCollins]

Have you figured out yet, why things are the way they are? I have.