2020 Post Election MEGAthread

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well yea. Wouldnt you say that christianity has an undeserved position in our society? Wow, building million dollar churches really helps the community. Not like they could have used that money to help the people in their congregation.. Why do christians deserve a seat at every table, simply for being christians? Why is that nearly a requirement in most states to be elected? Because of christians spreading lies about atheists and how they have no morals because they dont believe in a higher power.

Taking a stance against christianity and a stance against god are two different things. One is real, actually effects people on earth. They claim to be a charity but who do they help, exactly? Their 501c is abused at every chance they get. New tires for the mercedes? Oh its for the church... tax free.

In high school a couple of my class mates did and experiment to see which churches actually help people if you go to them in need. Not one of them offered anything but "council" and some old dirty clothes. No financial help, no help with doctors appointments, no help with anything. I thought a charity was supposed to help people in need? Not here, apparently. We went to 37 churches in the area.

One offered to sell us a gallon of a cure all that could cure cancer, parvo, std's, and basically any other disease for the low low price of 800 dollars. Oh and lots of books, they offered lots of books to buy, tapes to buy, all to "help" with our situations. Isnt that disgusting to you?

Many of the kids involved lived in abject poverty, drug addicted parents, suffered from mental illness of physical impairments.. People who actually needed help. None was offered in any form.

The local mosque in my area was burned down by a christian on a motorcycle. The local synagogue and Hindi churches were also vandalized. I also dont see muslims and jews on my street corners with signs and huge crosses yelling at traffic. I dont see them going around burning churches. I dont see them running youth groups that turn out to be very bad places for kids to go. I dont see them running conversation camps. I dont see them condemning gay people, openly, for simply loving someone. I dont see them opening day cares to allah or yaweh into kids heads, like I see in my town.

I see sikhs shaving their beards for covid, not claiming they have a religious exemption from wearing a mask. I dont see jews or muslims trying to force their religious icons and commandments onto state property then crying about it when its found to be unconstitutional, again, but insisting it should stay. I just dont see it, not locally anyways. I dont see them lying to everyone about how prayer is BANNED in schools and their holy books are ILLEGAL in schools.

See my point? They draw the ire of people because they feel like they deserve to be number 1, always. Never denied. Their arrogance and self-entitlement is so over the top. They feel like they deserve total domination of the USA, all its schools, all its institutions, and should have control of what your kids learn in school.

The church did more for humanitarian aid in the founding and building of this empire with 10%, than the US Government does with 30% now.

Most of the food banks in this country are funded, staffed, and managed entirely by churches of varying denominations, still. To this very day. The godless think they can legislate "Love". It's the stupidest idea ever, and it's akin to the Pharisees legislating "salvation".

The prosperity of this country throughout it's development is due, in large part, to the church and it's people's ethics.

Look at what we have now, as the nation's christian influence wanes. I would argue the Christian church,on the whole, is largely being devalued, and you have it entirely ass backwards.

If I had to state what I'm critical of the church for, I would state that the majority of contemporary churches seem to be overly geared toward providing a message that is more about assuaging guilt, while oreintating it's message toward the hylic audience and only providing a shallow interpretation of faith, but I suppose that's largely due to a shrinking audience and shortage of dutiful tithing to work with, which takes away from a more content church which should otherwise be about building up the church bodies TRUST in God's providence. In effect, they're guilty of fearing God will not meet their needs, which is antithesis to faith.

Did you know the Jewish word for faith originally meant "trust". It didn't mean "blind belief"

What this means is that the church is more interested in "saving the lost" than it is about perfecting the saved, because a larger church body means greater security for the pastors with suboptimal tithing.

I think it should be more about the latter, and there would a lot less examples of misguided idiots making a political spectacle of the faith.

When a pastor leaves a congregation and a church is on the market for a new pastor, they interview and retrace the statistics of pastors "in the market". This pastor grew his previous congregation by 3% per month in the past two years, and oversaw a 7% growth in tithing revenue, we need a pastor like this leading our congregation.

[Gravydoo II]

Oh and lets not even get into evolution... Thats whole deal. How long did christians fight that for? 100 years?? They didnt want to lose their grip on peoples minds to reality and science, so they lied about evolution, scientists, and everyone involved. Am I not wrong??

[Gravydoo II]

Uhhhh again... 37 CHARITIES founded on the idea of helping people in need. Not one helped. Thats called a scam. Money goes up, none comes down, ever. Oh and if you dont tithe in your final years of life, you're not allowed to be buried or hold your funeral/viewing in those churches... Great. Gee I wonder why they draw the ire of people..


Did more?? So what. They dont do shit now. You know who else did stuff? Everyone else. Funny how you take the credit of america being a prosperous country. It wasnt world wars that launched america into the best century of its time. It was christians... speaking of war, why is there war at all if we are such a great christian nation, exactly?? Oh thats right, cause jesus came with the sword.. The guy that said forgive everyone, love your neighbor, came with a sword. The poorest guy on earth, had a sword. Yea fucking right man.. Get over yourself. Christianity has held humanity BACK for centuries.

Even saying real facts, like the earth revolves around the sun, could get your killed. Any opposition to the bible, you could be burned to death. How did that help humanity, exactly?? How did it help humanity by keeping them in the dark ages for 500 years??

[Gravydoo II]

One more thing. Christianity does not have a monopoly on ethics, good, morals, or any of it. The ENTIRE rest of the world, before and after christianity, had morals, ethics, laws, and a sense of right and wrong, justice and so forth. That is the arrogance im talking about. That right there. Frikken cave people knew right from wrong. They helped their hurt friends and nursed them back to health tens of thousands of years before christianity. Thats just so arrogant and entitled. "Oh we came up with morality... people are good because of our ideas" pfft... get over yourself.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh and lets not even get into evolution... Thats whole deal. How long did christians fight that for? 100 years?? They didnt want to lose their grip on peoples minds to reality and science, so they lied about evolution, scientists, and everyone involved. Am I not wrong??

Science is entirely wrong on its timeframe. Because space is expanding, and time is space, time is stretching and expanding as well.

This means that radioactive decay is logarithmic, that is to say the cascading effect of radioactive decay accelerates over time, and the only reason why we haven't realized that yet is because science hasn't had a long enough frame of reference to notice it, since the tools we use to discern it have only been around for a very short time, and the only isotopes which decay in a frame of reference we can currently discern occur so quickly that the effect is immeasurable.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uhhhh again... 37 CHARITIES founded on the idea of helping people in need. Not one helped. Thats called a scam. Money goes up, none comes down, ever. Oh and if you dont tithe in your final years of life, you're not allowed to be buried or hold your funeral/viewing in those churches... Great. Gee I wonder why they draw the ire of people..


Did more?? So what. They dont do shit now. You know who else did stuff? Everyone else. Funny how you take the credit of america being a prosperous country. It wasnt world wars that launched america into the best century of its time. It was christians... speaking of war, why is there war at all if we are such a great christian nation, exactly?? Oh thats right, cause jesus came with the sword.. The guy that said forgive everyone, love your neighbor, came with a sword. The poorest guy on earth, had a sword. Yea fucking right man.. Get over yourself. Christianity has held humanity BACK for centuries.

Even saying real facts, like the earth revolves around the sun, could get your killed. Any opposition to the bible, you could be burned to death. How did that help humanity, exactly?? How did it help humanity by keeping them in the dark ages for 500 years??

The sword is metaphorical bro. And judging by your irate babbling I think we can see how.

[Gravydoo II]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Science is entirely wrong on its timeframe. Because space is expanding, and time is space, time is stretching and expanding as well.

This means that radioactive decay is logarithmic, that is to say the cascading effect of radioactive decay accelerates over time, and the only reason why we haven't realized that yet is because science hasn't had a long enough frame of reference to notice it, since the tools we use to discern it have only been around for a very short time.

LOLOLOLOL did you learn that from kent hovind?? I cant believe you just tried to use the very science that defines what you're saying, to say its wrong. Then you said you actually know better than every single scientist on earth concerning evolution and dating. THAT IS ARROGANCE. You have no degree in that field. You have no published, peer reviewed papers in any field yet you claim to know more than all of physics and biology.

Since you're so sure of yourself, why havent you submitted your paper using the very science you claim is false? You just said scientific method for one thing is correct but the very same method is false for another. Simply because you disagree with it. That is arrogance and a TOTAL misunderstanding of science and how it works.

I love how you simply glossed over every single point and just said "christianity helped more" lol.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One more thing. Christianity does not have a monopoly on ethics, good, morals, or any of it. The ENTIRE rest of the world, before and after christianity, had morals, ethics, laws, and a sense of right and wrong, justice and so forth. That is the arrogance im talking about. That right there. Frikken cave people knew right from wrong. They helped their hurt friends and nursed them back to health tens of thousands of years before christianity. Thats just so arrogant and entitled. "Oh we came up with morality... people are good because of our ideas" pfft... get over yourself.

Nothing came before Christianity, bro. It was just called something else, and as it progressed those who remained at one phase of revelation were given another name by His-story. The ethos of life and love existed within humanity as early as it's antithesis. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

In the beginning was God and the Word (Logos/Christ), the Word was with God and the Word was God, and all thing were created through the Word.

[Gravydoo II]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The sword is metaphorical bro. And judging by your irate babbling I think we can see how.

Listen if you're upset and you cant handle it, just leave it alone. If you're "irate" thats your business. Go cry to your mommy. You call that irate babbling?? Wow you must be very sensitive. Did you really just cry about text on a forum, saying its "irate babbling" cause you just got your ass stomped?? LOLOL

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOLOLOLOL did you learn that from kent hovind?? I cant believe you just tried to use the very science that defines what you're saying, to say its wrong. Then you said you actually know better than every single scientist on earth concerning evolution and dating. THAT IS ARROGANCE. You have no degree in that field. You have no published, peer reviewed papers in any field yet you claim to know more than all of physics and biology.

Since you're so sure of yourself, why havent you submitted your paper using the very science you claim is false? You just said scientific method for one thing is correct but the very same method is false for another. Simply because you disagree with it. That is arrogance and a TOTAL misunderstanding of science and how it works.

I love how you simply glossed over every single point and just said "christianity helped more" lol.

Actually I do have a degree in Chemistry, and Biology. Lol literally, thats what I majored in. I graduated with honors while living in a fucking tent down the hill from WSU's Vancouver satellite. I tutored most of the higher scoring STEM majors who went on to take the MCAT and become your doctors. My closest colleague from the 2015 alumni went on to become a neuroscientist and we still talk metaphysics frequently.

You are literally grasping at straws here.