If Free-Speech falls, we're in trouble

[Cassawary]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Facebook and Twitter are not the government.

i'm gonna sue loramin for reverting my wiki vandalisms

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Cassawary [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm gonna sue loramin for reverting my wiki vandalisms

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And as for FatherSioux, as much as I loved Booter's infographic ([You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]), the real answer to your concern came from Gustoo:

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Crack open a history book. Best time to be alive is now.

If you crack open A People's History of the United States, you'll see that free speech has been under assault in far, far worse ways throughout American history. We're talking about powerful rich men buying every newspaper in town and silencing all dissent against them. NOTHING at all like one "newspaper" deciding not to print Trump's opinion.

Once you understand where we came from, you'll understand that (as Gustoo said), we truly have more free speech now than ever.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you crack open A People's History of the United States, you'll see that free speech has been under assault in far, far worse ways throughout American history. We're talking about powerful rich men buying every newspaper in town and silencing all dissent against them. NOTHING at all like one "newspaper" deciding not to print Trump's opinion.

Not a terribly good example. Fundamentally little different from the coordinated attacks on Parlor by the usual suspects.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you understand where we came from, you'll understand that (as Gustoo said), we truly have more free speech now than ever.

Could you list all the notable people in history who were forever unemployable simply for having the "wrong" opinion on a subject? All the people booted out of school/profession/job due to some joke they made when they were kid? Where fully westernized democratic countries seek to jail/fine people for using the wrong words or simply telling the wrong jokes? Where those same governments compel speech? Where many of the universities in those countries had speech codes?

More idiots on the internet is no metric of free speech.

[getsome]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Could you list all the notable people in history who were forever unemployable simply for having the "wrong" opinion on a subject?.

The following ten individuals were cited for contempt of Congress and blacklisted

Alvah Bessie, screenwriter
Herbert Biberman, screenwriter and director
Lester Cole, screenwriter
Edward Dmytryk, director
Ring Lardner Jr., screenwriter
John Howard Lawson, screenwriter
Albert Maltz, screenwriter
Samuel Ornitz, screenwriter
Adrian Scott, producer and screenwriter
Dalton Trumbo, screenwriter

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not a terribly good example. Fundamentally little different from the coordinated attacks on Parlor by the usual suspects.



Could you list all the notable people in history who were forever unemployable simply for having the "wrong" opinion on a subject? All the people booted out of school/profession/job due to some joke they made when they were kid? Where fully westernized democratic countries seek to jail/fine people for using the wrong words or simply telling the wrong jokes? Where those same governments compel speech? Where many of the universities in those countries had speech codes?

More idiots on the internet is no metric of free speech.

Freedom of speech is not (and has never been) freedom from consequences of that speech. The only consequences our constitution prohibits are the government retribution kind, but what private citizens do to you as a result of your speech is, and has always been, their freedom to choose.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Freedom of speech is not (and has never been) freedom from consequences of that speech. The only consequences our constitution prohibits are the government retribution kind, but what private citizens do to you as a result of your speech is, and has always been, their freedom to choose.

How does this comport with your earlier claim then?

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

free speech has been under assault in far, far worse ways throughout American history. We're talking about powerful rich men buying every newspaper in town and silencing all dissent against them. NOTHING at all like one "newspaper" deciding not to print Trump's opinion.

Looks a bit more like you are trying to make a weak semantic argument after realizing how badly you lost on the merits.