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All I can say is that ultimately your theorycrafting didn't line up with what I experienced in the game ... back when procs worked significantly better than they do today.
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I mostly meleed to my 40s on my Shaman, and I was fighting guards, which tend to be undercons for their level. Melee with slow tanking was quite a bit more efficient than root rotting.
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Again, I think two different things are being conflated in this thread: A) pretending your Shaman is a melee class and trying to do significant damage from your weapon (which in my experience stopped working around the 20s, on both my Shaman and Cleric) ... vs. B) tanking (doing melee damage, but doing a lot more damage from DoTing and letting your pet chew on the mob ... which is something even a Shaman with a rusty spear might want to do at any point in their career) The melee damage you do is only one factor (and I'd argue it's not even the biggest one) in whether you should be tanking, pet tanking, or root/rotting. Many other factors (how hard the mob hits, how many HP they have, how often they break root, what heal/root/slow spell you have, whether the mob summons, etc.) determine the ideal Shaman style for a given hunting spot.
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Last edited by loramin; 02-02-2021 at 04:40 PM..
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If you planned to melee from 1-60, troll would probably be a significant peg up from iksar largely due to the snare necklace and because of it, you intentionally focus on fighting mobs that flee and save yourself all the mana from the last 20-25% of the HP of the mob. Additionally, relative to iskar you'd also have access to slam... don't matter for damage but would also interrupt casters(big deal if you are facing them in melee) and if you time it right you can also reduce the melee damage you are taking. (count the seconds between swings and bash just before the mobs swing timer is about to come due).
You can certainly level all the way to 60 meleeing and Iksar. I wouldn't describe it as "efficient" however, troll would be significantly better, but Iksar wouldn't be significantly different from any other race but troll. Other than troll racial stuff, it's all going to come down to your gear = efficiency. | ||
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The caveat I did forget to mention is Shaman melee needs a good weapon and a haste item. I agree root/rotting is better if you have a bad weapon like a rusty spear. I apologize if that wasn't obvious. In your specific scenario with a hyper procing Spiritist Hammer, your problem was certainly strategy, not melee being bad. The reason why meleeing works so well 1-40 is because mobs are much weaker in terms of damage, hp, and ac. Most of the factors you mentioned don't really apply to most mobs level 1-40. 40 is where shaman melee starts to fall off because level 40 mobs get a huge boost to damage, ac, and hp. You are incorrect that Shamans are not designed for melee. They have the same skill caps as warriors on their weapons skills until level 50, and they have a line of spells (berserk) for the purpose of melee. Druids and Clerics have a lot lower skill cap for weapons skills, which shows a clear design difference between the priest classes. Shamans also get haste, which is a drastic DPS improvent over Clerics and Druids.
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Seems like someone just can't let it go. HMM where have I read that before?
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on red my shm is fsi ogre .
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P.S. Just so we're clear, I'm not saying Shaman melee damage is completely, 100% meaningless.
What I keep saying is that, because Shaman deal significantly less melee damage than their other two damage sources, it's only one factor in the equation of what style you should use (Shaman tank vs. pet tank vs. root/rot; let's pretend Shaman never get charm). Look, even if we make up numbers and say pet damage = 1/3, melee damage = 1/3, DoT damage = 1/3 ... you still wouldn't want to melee all the time. Why? Because some mobs will hit so hard that if you melee them to get that extra 1/3 damage, you will need far more mana to heal yourself up afterwards (vs. if you just rooted the mob and didn't melee). If your options are "do 2/3 damage, only have to cast a root or two, and be at ful HP/50m after a fight", or "do 3/3 damage, but wind up completely OOM and not full HP after", it doesn't matter that you can do more damage by meleeing ... you'll get more/faster XP over time by not meleeing, and saving yourself all the mana you would have spent on healing (and slowing the mob, and hasting yourself, and berserking yourself, and casting AC buffs on yourself). But again, I very suspicious of the idea that at 21+(ish) melee makes up even 1/3 of a Shaman's DPS output. And regardless, it's not even as simple as "how much do I do in melee vs. how much does the mob do?" There are all sorts of other factors, like whether your pet can tank it (pets heal faster than PCs), whether the mob casts (and you want to interrupt it with melee), etc.
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