It's official: Riot is done.

[dk0]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"oops my tracker got FTE and pulled that sev/gore/other pulled mob away from where it was, and then instead of losing the engage it just became a total mess! who would have thought it could happen. aww shucks."

why would you want to open up this can of worms? right now, it's a very clear and easy to apply rule. anything you replace it with is going to be more difficult to apply. certainly the history of this server, and especially it's current M.O., suggests that nuanced rules which require detailed analysis will only be the source of conflict. ambiguity = bad.

it's already the case that people argue that anything you do during the course of an FTE doesn't matter, if a new FTE goes out. doing away with tracker FTE almost certain to result in the following: tracker gets FTE; DA's and/or bumps the mob; caps out or dies; new member of same guild gets fresh FTE after mob has been significantly affected; that guild kills mob, argues that it's initial tracker FTE is meaningless because of subsequent yellow text.

you say you don't like the lawyerquesting? then stop trying to do away with the simple rules that are easy to enforce.

Appreciate the response, though I think you may be confusing me with someone else, I've not made any comments about lawyerquesting.

My point is that there are already rules in place that prevent the behavior you're describing. Getting rid of tracker FTE is just the immediate concession portion of the tracker ruleset. They still cannot do literally anything else otherwise it's a concede. Think of it this way: what if the tracker coth'd a single person up who then did the things you describe? How is that any different? If the chaos you're describing were to suddenly happen, why isn't it happening now?

This is RNF so I presume we'll never agree here, but there's no "can of worms" to open. You could drop this rule without any changes to behavior.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by dk0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Appreciate the response, though I think you may be confusing me with someone else, I've not made any comments about lawyerquesting.

My point is that there are already rules in place that prevent the behavior you're describing. Getting rid of tracker FTE is just the immediate concession portion of the tracker ruleset. They still cannot do literally anything else otherwise it's a concede. Think of it this way: what if the tracker coth'd a single person up who then did the things you describe? How is that any different? If the chaos you're describing were to suddenly happen, why isn't it happening now?

This is RNF so I presume we'll never agree here, but there's no "can of worms" to open. You could drop this rule without any changes to behavior.

why wouldn't they do any of the things, in the absence of a rule requiring immediate concession? that's the only thing discouraging it now, anyways. the underlying point is that as currently implemented, this rule is easy to apply. making it less easy to apply is only going to invite more opportunities for conflict and argument. dropping the rule would just make an already bad atmosphere even worse.

I meant "you" in the general sense, i guess, as opposed to you specifically. apologies if my meaning wasn't clear.

[dk0]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why wouldn't they do any of the things, in the absence of a rule requiring immediate concession?

Because there already exist rules that prevent that behavior and lead to concession. You can easily get around tracker FTE by having a tracker coth up a member and then do these exact same things. But that's not happening, because there are already rules that prevent it. Tracker FTE does nothing to prevent any unwanted behavior that isn't already addressed by a different rule, which makes it unnecessary.

Anyway, never in the history of RNF has someone's perspective actually been changed, and I'm not interested in devolving this convo into whatever is happening in the rest of this ridiculous thread, so I assume this is where we'll just disagree. Appreciate you sharing your view.