Verant Logic: Necromancer vs Magician

[azxten]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy never played a mage past 20, its pretty much balanced between mage and necro. Necros trade off any fast dps for utility. In group settings mages offer higher sustained dps and utility, while necros are a jack of all - master of none. six of one half dozen of other.

Mod Rods
Call of the Hero
Summoned Utility like staff of runes, ring of flight
Self Regen
Pet heals
best DS
2nd best nukes/pbae
eye of zomm
strongest pets
Malo

I've played Mage to 60 after being a Necro fanboy and you're just wrong. Mage sucks ass compared to Necro in basically every way other than COTH.

I think Verant's mistake was that they had a "class advocate" or some kind of bullshit like that for each class and these people ended up in product meetings basically yelling about how their class needed more or less stuff. Each class ended up as it did solely based on this one person's ability to convince others within Verant. Probably Joe Cool, Necro advocate, was fucking the product manager and Neckbeard Ned, Mage advocate, was constantly talked over in meetings or was too dumb to even understand how underpowered their class was.

Not only that but I bet Necro which was insanely overpowered and got nerfed in classic then ended up with the ability to say "we got nerfed, what are we going to give Necro players to make them feel better?" And Mages it was more like, "Everything looks good. Fuck em."

This also explains why Ranger was always such a horrible joke. The advocate was probably Brad himself, Aradune, and he never even played EQ and was just snorting coke and nerfing anything he didn't like that was being reported to him as allowing players to progress too quickly thus upsetting his Sony bosses. Ranger sucks ass, can't do shit? Sounds fucking great, they'll be paying their subscription fees forever. What?!?! Necros are soloing in PoF? Damn it they'll be bored in a couple weeks and cancel, fucking nerf that shit.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

earth pets u can keep like 2 mobs rooted and nuke 1 down if u use

line1: /pet back off
line2: /pet attack

and another hotkey that is just pet back off

on a earth pet

doesn't even need to be your highest conning pet if you dont leave it constantly in melee for a solo mob root/nuke

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Poetic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think not being able to root is the biggest horse poop for magicians and wizards, I mean even inept clerics and paladins can cast root. Just seem like a fairly uncomplicated spell for the masters of the arcane to develop....

Wizards get some of the best and earliest roots ... its a big part of their class.

It's just too tempting to burn mana on nukes then hit afk for 15 mins tho.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've played Mage to 60 after being a Necro fanboy and you're just wrong. Mage sucks ass compared to Necro in basically every way other than COTH.

I think Verant's mistake was that they had a "class advocate" or some kind of bullshit like that for each class and these people ended up in product meetings basically yelling about how their class needed more or less stuff. Each class ended up as it did solely based on this one person's ability to convince others within Verant. Probably Joe Cool, Necro advocate, was fucking the product manager and Neckbeard Ned, Mage advocate, was constantly talked over in meetings or was too dumb to even understand how underpowered their class was.

Not only that but I bet Necro which was insanely overpowered and got nerfed in classic then ended up with the ability to say "we got nerfed, what are we going to give Necro players to make them feel better?" And Mages it was more like, "Everything looks good. Fuck em."

This also explains why Ranger was always such a horrible joke. The advocate was probably Brad himself, Aradune, and he never even played EQ and was just snorting coke and nerfing anything he didn't like that was being reported to him as allowing players to progress too quickly thus upsetting his Sony bosses. Ranger sucks ass, can't do shit? Sounds fucking great, they'll be paying their subscription fees forever. What?!?! Necros are soloing in PoF? Damn it they'll be bored in a couple weeks and cancel, fucking nerf that shit.

explain why mages and wizards are funner and cooler than necros?

and why clerics are funner and cooler than shamans and druids?

then

i like the challenged

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this isn't wow classes aren't supposed to be balanced there supposed to be thematically kewl and different

if u don't want a magician challenge play a necromancer or wizard )

Exactly! No matter how powerful a necromancer may be, it will never be a magician for those that want to play magicians.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This also explains why Ranger was always such a horrible joke. The advocate was probably Brad himself, Aradune, and he never even played EQ and was just snorting coke and nerfing anything he didn't like that was being reported to him as allowing players to progress too quickly thus upsetting his Sony bosses. Ranger sucks ass, can't do shit? Sounds fucking great, they'll be paying their subscription fees forever. What?!?! Necros are soloing in PoF? Damn it they'll be bored in a couple weeks and cancel, fucking nerf that shit.

Also I wish this is how P99 would approach non-classic nerfs like they've done in the past. To make P99 classic they should have the same view Verant did which was that of a business trying to make money. If people are easily soloing dragons, abusing recharged items, etc it should all be nerfed. Everything should be adjusted based on how it might be threatening pretend income and subscriptions. That would recreate "The Vision" classic experience.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

explain why mages and wizards are funner and cooler than necros?

and why clerics are funner and cooler than shamans and druids?

then

i like the challenged

Because since their class sucks and can't solo they have to be charismatic to find groups. Same reason people like grouping with Rangers. It's funny to laugh at them knowing they have no other alternative than some kind of horribly repressive pretend soloing.

[Gugg]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

doesn't even need to be your highest conning pet if you dont leave it constantly in melee for a solo mob root/nuke

Necro doesn't even need a pet.

No bone chips? No problem.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Gugg [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Necromancer (evil)

- Feign Death (escape all danger with a 1.5 second button click @ L17)
- Mana regen (at L60 it's like having 4 x Clarity)
- Root (root park danger)
- Snare (stay out of reach of danger)
- Fear (send danger running in the opposite direction)
- Mez (mez danger)
- Self evac (port from danger and save some time running)
- Self Heal + DPS (2 in 1 spell)
- Player heals (patch heals)
- Mana transfer (mana for group healer)
- Invis vs undead (explore some dungeons and areas with impunity)
- Iksar playable (super evil race, Cabilis, FoB, Kurns, forage, extra regen & AC)
- Pet component is Bone chips (common drop)
- Locate corpse
- Summon corpse
- Rez
- Charm
- DoT

Magician (good)

- None of the above

Tune in next week for Verant Logic Part 2: SK (evil) vs Paladin (good).

isnt it funny how OP mage is to necro lol

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy never played a mage past 20, its pretty much balanced between mage and necro. Necros trade off any fast dps for utility. In group settings mages offer higher sustained dps and utility, while necros are a jack of all - master of none. six of one half dozen of other.

Mod Rods
Call of the Hero
Summoned Utility like staff of runes, ring of flight
Self Regen
Pet heals
best DS
2nd best nukes/pbae
eye of zomm
strongest pets
Malo

lol k whatever you gotta tell yourself