Making grouping great again

[jombo]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I play P99 in a different way now.

*whistles innocently*

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You know it's pretty neat I can track back mesmerize, charm, and all the other Enchanter effects directly to their functions out of a year 2000 client because it seems they actually have unique functions written for those spells which the other spells don't have. Just laying things out for now.

Posting random snippets of decompiled client (not even the main client, either) from a game that validates on server is truly galaxy brain.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Tewaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My favorite leveling was on red with the 290% full group bonus + pvp because you became bonded to teammates that were undergeared and not there to gank.

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[azxten]

Originally Posted by jombo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Posting random snippets of decompiled client (not even the main client, either) from a game that validates on server is truly galaxy brain.

For a game that "validates on server" I sure made a lot of money writing cheats on the client side back in the day. Why would a game that "validates on server" let you run GM commands via the client with no authentication? They left the GM commands in, which we abused, but Charm logic was safely secured on the server I'm sure.

Hilarious. Latest Enchanter cope. "Yeah you decompiled the Charm function b ut that isn't even the main client and besides there was additional logic on the server which made it so it works like it is on P99 now."

[jombo]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a game that "validates on server" I sure made a lot of money writing cheats on the client side back in the day. Why would a game that "validates on server" let you run GM commands via the client with no authentication? They left the GM commands in, which we abused, but Charm logic was safely secured on the server I'm sure.

Hilarious. Latest Enchanter cope. "Yeah you decompiled the Charm function b ut that isn't even the main client and besides there was additional logic on the server which made it so it works like it is on P99 now."

Look at how triggered you get when confronted with the fact that your post is impossible to prove. Absolutely deranged. Seek help.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by jombo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at how triggered you get when confronted with the fact that your post is impossible to prove. Absolutely deranged. Seek help.

Please don’t encourage other posters to share cheats...

[Castle2.0]

Manastone, Fungus, IG pots and other pots galore rechargeable via vendor without any other player involvement....

Ez mode. Why group?

Was gonna solo Naggy in Kunark, but GMs couldn't accept that.

P99 = not a sandbox. Just an elf museum with an overbearing overzealous curator.

[Castle2.0]

Oh, and bring back Red Wood Wands.

Watch til the end [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was gaming. Such a gameresque gamer move to game with: Red Wood Wands.

[Bardp1999]

not reading through this thread but P99 needs to do something to encourage grouping in a big way, current status is very sad

[Lich]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Part of fun in games is challenge.

https://thinkgamedesign.com/flow-theory-game-design/

A game which is easy for one person is unchallenging and boring. Another person might find it too difficult and boring. A third person will find it is a good challenge and fun.

Game design theory has progressed so that most video game players today are not good at playing video games. You could compare something like Counter-Strike to Overwatch. In Counter-Strike, for the most part ignoring the limited economy, every round is the same. Your only ability to win or lose is based on your skill. In Overwatch (which I've never played) the concept of an "Ultimate" ability is introduced. At any given moment you can use an ultimate and "win". There is still skill involved but there is also an "I win something" button you can press. Now there is less incentive to be good at the game you just hit your "I win" button and get your dopamine. This is just a simplified example of the direction games have gone. Another would be EverQuest's brutal experience loss and corpse runs, which by the way is provably about 2x as bad in classic era than P99 makes it, another change they never put in here. Compare that to WoW with it's armor repair and ghost walk to your corpse mechanic.

So, what might be less fun for you or others who aren't good at EQ in particular, would be more fun for me and a lot of other people who enjoy a more challenging true to classic EQ experience.

Now let's talk about the types of gamers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle...f_player_types

I would argue P99 with its' raid and max level focus is designed for achievers. It also can appeal to social gamers. It can appeal to explorers but mostly if they aren't familiar with the game already. Finally, it has very little appeal for killers. My feeling is that Nilbog / Rogean must be achiever game types because their decisions often promote that style of gameplay while ignoring the others.

I am a killer, social, explorer gamer in that order. My competition fix from EQ is thriving in a punishing game model while others can't handle it. On Live I played PvP almost exclusively. However, I am also a social gamer. While P99 has socialization most of it ends up stacked at the max level and is socialization between achievers to that end. P99 also offers exploration to me because there are zones I never really played in during live and they aren't raid zones.

Making the game more difficult appeals to all three of these drives. Why? Because now if you can succeed more than others you have a basis of competition especially if it involves things like training, psychological games, PvP, etc where you are directly competing with them and not just the game. This is the killer gamer. It also promotes socialization because players group more realizing the game is very difficult and it's more efficient to play with others depending on your class. Finally, it promotes exploration because a more difficult game closes off more options for places to try to level and the promotion of grouping which typically overcrowds certain areas and dungeons due to more efficient mob killing leads players to be willing to leave and try another area.

On P99 they diminish the killer play style by having heavy handed play nice policies and implementing things that make the game easier while ignoring things that would make it more difficult. Similarly, they discourage grouping and socialization by leaving OP classes like Enchanter in place and implementing things like Teal instance and increased mob spawns. Suddenly there is no real reason to talk to anyone and people complain about the "lonely P99" experience on these forums all the time. Oh don't worry people say, just get up to max level, but that isn't what those players are talking about. They don't WANT to be max level or the game is effectively over for certain types of gamers. They don't want to eek out raid pixels and talk about the guild UN and petition quest. Same for explorers. If a camp is always available because high ZEMs, mob spawns, easy leveling, etc lets players progress easily through areas then that is where you will always go. In fact, on P99 "the camp" is so much better than anything else you could be doing if you know where "the camp" is that you feel like you might as well not play if you aren't there. You're certainly not going to leave The Hole and go get a group in KC you're just going to log off, play an alt, etc.

Hopefully that helps you understand. P99 is a low skilled achiever friendly server and I'd like to see it start accommodating other gamer types more because that is the furthest thing from my style. I am a high skilled killer gamer who also likes to socialize and explore but not the effort of min maxing my pixels.

You see instanced Teal, increased spawns, easy mode channeling, etc and get excited! YAY! I can get to those dragons so fast and the 300 player AFK raiding I love so much to get my pixels! I don't see that.

You sound like a psychopath.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a game that "validates on server" I sure made a lot of money writing cheats on the client side back in the day. Why would a game that "validates on server" let you run GM commands via the client with no authentication? They left the GM commands in, which we abused, but Charm logic was safely secured on the server I'm sure.

Hilarious. Latest Enchanter cope. "Yeah you decompiled the Charm function b ut that isn't even the main client and besides there was additional logic on the server which made it so it works like it is on P99 now."

Why are you turning every thread into something about enchanters? You have a problem man