Wizard fix

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Kiithsa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason groups don't take wizards is b/c most people that play them are lazy.

I played a wizard, I wasn't lazy and even I can tell a huge difference on what I brought to a group. If I wanted efficiency, I'd take a Magician over a Wizard every day and twice on Sunday. I'd even argue a Magician without a pet is worth more to a group than a Wizard.

[ReoDobbs]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd even argue a Magician without a pet is worth more to a group than a Wizard.

Just stop

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played a wizard, I wasn't lazy and even I can tell a huge difference on what I brought to a group. If I wanted efficiency, I'd take a Magician over a Wizard every day and twice on Sunday. I'd even argue a Magician without a pet is worth more to a group than a Wizard.

Why would you argue that? Doing a lot of grouping in lavastorm with melee that haven't saved up for a magic weapon yet?

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would you argue that? Doing a lot of grouping in lavastorm with melee that haven't saved up for a magic weapon yet?

Ice Comet 2.8 DPM
Lava Bolt 2.7 DPM

DS will cover that difference plus some. So right there alone Magician > Wizard. Add pet and it's a HUGE difference.

[ReoDobbs]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ice Comet 2.8 DPM
Lava Bolt 2.7 DPM

DS will cover that difference plus some. So right there alone Magician > Wizard. Add pet and it's a HUGE difference.

What? So we're just picking lvl 49 spells to make our point? Wizard spells get more and more mana efficient for a wiz post 50. Mage's strongest point in the game is 39-49

Let's try actually making a comparison of end game:

Wizards highest nuke=4.0 dpm
Mage's highest nuke=3.1 dpm

This is before taking into effect that most mages are going to be specialized in Conjuration and most Wizards Evocations so the mana efficiency even goes more lopsided towards the wizard than the above numbers. In general things also tend to have higher fire resistances than cold resistances.

What a sketchy way to try to prove your point...

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by ReoDobbs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? So we're just picking lvl 49 spells to make our point? Wizard spells get more and more mana efficient for a wiz post 50. Mage's strongest point in the game is 39-49

Let's try actually making a comparison of end game:

Wizards highest nuke=4.0 dpm
Mage's highest nuke=3.1 dpm

This is before taking into effect that most mages are going to be specialized in Conjuration and most Wizards Evocations so the mana efficiency even goes more lopsided towards the wizard than the above numbers. In general things also tend to have higher fire resistances than cold resistances.

What a sketchy way to try to prove your point...

Interesting that you point out my sketchy way that covers levels 1-50 but your way is not sketchy that covers end game. Way to go, pot calling the kettle black.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting that you point out my sketchy way that covers levels 1-50 but your way is not sketchy that covers end game. Way to go, pot calling the kettle black.

Lol I agree. Like “oh wizards are much better at end game so you should totally take my crappy wizard in your group all the way from level 1 until then”

[ReoDobbs]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol I agree. Like “oh wizards are much better at end game so you should totally take my crappy wizard in your group all the way from level 1 until then”

The whole point that is being argued is that he thinks mages without a pet are better than Wizard for a group. Throughout 1-48 and 50-60 the dpm difference is much more extreme than the ONE data point he purposely chose.

A mage, which has a pet, is almost always going to be the better pick. That's not where the dude went though.

[ReoDobbs]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting that you point out my sketchy way that covers levels 1-50 but your way is not sketchy that covers end game. Way to go, pot calling the kettle black.

Good to see you've come to your sense and stopped trying to argue the ridiculous claim you attempted to make in the first place.

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by ReoDobbs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good to see you've come to your sense and stopped trying to argue the ridiculous claim you attempted to make in the first place.

No, is it really that ridiculous? I still believe a petless magician > wizard levels 1-50. Nukes are practically the same. So the comparison is do you believe root is worth more than DS, Malo, Summoned Items.