Cheating everywhere, GMs???

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude sorry but you don’t know the history to this I guess. This happened months ago. Riot scripted to prove that Vanquish had been scripting. It was admitted that it happened. The cheating occurred

If that is the truth then all this proves is you can't really tell the difference between cheating and not cheating, as they are never that far ahead of the "non-cheaters". It is a minimal amount that could be accounted for via data transfer, differences in reaction times, etc.

I am sorry that Everquest 1 was not designed with this kind of racing in mind, where 100ms is the difference between victory and defeat. You will never get that kind of functionality out of EQ, and there will always be someone with an advantage simply due to their proximity to the P99 servers.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If that is the truth then all this proves is you can't really tell the difference between cheating and not cheating, as they are never that far ahead of the "non-cheaters". It is a minimal amount that could be accounted for via data transfer, differences in reaction times, etc.

I am sorry that Everquest 1 was not designed with this kind of racing in mind, where 100ms is the difference between victory and defeat. You will never get that kind of functionality out of EQ, and there will always be someone with an advantage simply due to their proximity to the P99 servers.

No except you can tell the difference. I’m not sure if you’re just being stubborn here.

The cheating isn’t designed to make them “far ahead” of the non cheaters. It’s a race. They don’t need to be far ahead because the script makes them react instantly upon the spawn of the mob to start running. Someone not cheating wouldn’t be able to react that fast and therefore as long as the person/people scripting don’t make a mistake and like run into a wall or something they will always stay ahead of the non cheaters. It’s literally been proven many times as a result of this type of stuff.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No except you can tell the difference. I’m not sure if you’re just being stubborn here.

The cheating isn’t designed to make them “far ahead” of the non cheaters. It’s a race. They don’t need to be far ahead because the script makes them react instantly upon the spawn of the mob to start running. Someone not cheating wouldn’t be able to react that fast and therefore as long as the person/people scripting don’t make a mistake and like run into a wall or something they will always stay ahead of the non cheaters. It’s literally been proven many times as a result of this type of stuff.

I am not being stubborn at all. I am simply confused as to why people think an online game not even designed for racing would ever be "fair" to race in. If 100ms is the difference between victory and defeat, that 100ms can be caused simply by lag. That is the nature of playing online. If the difference can be chalked up to lag, then it can't be proven to be cheating, unless you have all of the relevant data.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not being stubborn at all. I am simply confused as to why people think an online game not even designed for racing would ever be "fair" to race in. If 100ms is the difference between victory and defeat, that 100ms can be caused simply by lag. That is the nature of playing online. If the difference can be chalked up to lag, then it can't be proven to be cheating, unless you have all of the relevant data.

The Vanquish team was scripting repeatedly. Riot suspected it and decided to run a script in order to prove it.

Lag doesn’t happen over and over. Stop arguing just for the sake of arguing especially about something that was literally proven months ago

[karadin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Vanquish team was scripting repeatedly. Riot suspected it and decided to run a script in order to prove it.

Lag doesn’t happen over and over. Stop arguing just for the sake of arguing especially about something that was literally proven months ago

So riot made those videos and still Kickenit was 150ms+ farther than Stunningly within a few frames of the race. What conclusion can we draw from that?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by karadin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So riot made those videos and still Kickenit was 150ms+ farther than Stunningly within a few frames of the race. What conclusion can we draw from that?

Dude ran into something along the way IIRC from the old videos that were posted in the thread months ago.

Both scripted characters react literally the same second of the spawn so it’s quite clearly automated. Anyone pretending it’s not is being purposefully ignorant

[cd288]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude ran into something along the way IIRC from the old videos that were posted in the thread months ago.

Both scripted characters react literally the same second of the spawn so it’s quite clearly automated. Anyone pretending it’s not is being purposefully ignorant

And the most embarrassing thing about it was Vanquish made all these posts like “Riot cheats!!” and then were like oh wait them using a script proves we’ve been scripting this entire time. Funniest backfire of an entire guild I’ve seen on P99 lmao

[karadin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude ran into something along the way IIRC from the old videos that were posted in the thread months ago.

Both scripted characters react literally the same second of the spawn so it’s quite clearly automated. Anyone pretending it’s not is being purposefully ignorant

Stunningly didn’t run into anything within the first several frames of the video. See my screenshots from like page 2 or 3.