5-4 incoming?

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it was on religifact (polifact but for religious shit, which should exist imo) then it would say mostly false.

oh man that would really stir the pot

i often think that one day some hacking group is gonna send all the porn anyone's ever looked at to everyone else, and then the pot will truly be stirt

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh man that would really stir the pot

i often think that one day some hacking group is gonna send all the porn anyone's ever looked at to everyone else, and then the pot will truly be stirt

Ive always hoped someone would release all the keyword searches people do lol

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shoo you little troll.
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5:27 – Abortion Is Okay, If The Mom Doesn’t Approve
“If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry...”

Elizondo looks like your cheerleader is just hurting your Bible thumping.

You are embarrassing yourself badly, Paste Eater

Numbers 5:27-28 KJV

27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.

It's always hilarious when Kraut Atheists try and quote scripture like they have any clue what they are talking about. Keep the laughs coming, Groomer

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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OK but before I go..

I think 5:11 is the only actual case where it seems as though the bible may even teach how abortion works back then.

but then again the actual context of that story is that the woman is given a drink, and if she cheated the drink will kill the baby, and if she didnt cheat it wont kill the baby.

There is only one or two recent versions (NIV) that uses the word "miscarry" and it's a bad translation

It has nothing to do with a pregnancy or abortion in any way

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are embarrassing yourself badly, Paste Eater

Numbers 5:27-28 KJV



It's always hilarious when Kraut Atheists try and quote scripture like they have any clue what they are talking about. Keep the laughs coming, Groomer

Ha ha ha and your the party of context??? Ha!

So…

Numbers 5:27 – Abortion Is Okay, If The Mom Doesn’t Approve
“If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry

This is a fun one. Earlier in Numbers, it’s stated that, if a man suspects his wife of sleeping with another man, he may bring her to a priest who will create some sort of magic potion with water and dirt. The woman is then made to drink said magic potion. If she has not cheated on her husband, nothing will happen.

If the woman has cheated and is carrying another man’s child, though, the mystical dirt water; we can call it magic mud, will cause her to immediately miscarry. This is a directive coming straight from God himself to Moses. So even if your little Bible thumping pro-life scripture can dodge all these other verses you kiddie clipped, you can’t deny that this one essentially says, “Abortion is okay as long as it’s forced upon a woman, against her will, for cheating on her husband.”



Yeah… that’s way more acceptable than what pro-choice advocates are going for…

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good to know, this means your support for the military and police can be compared to your opposition to abortion, hypocrite

As I have explained like a million times, killing children *ON PURPOSE*, for literally no reason other than to kill them, is significantly worse than killing a child by accident or negligently. It doesn't mean the latter is somehow okay, is that really what you think I believe?

The impass here is obviously that you don't consider babies human beings. I do. So maybe explain why they aren't human beings instead of some comparison to the obvious tragedy of kids dying in war, or cops making a split second life or death decision that kills somebody.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ha ha ha and your the party of context??? Ha!

So…



This is a fun one. Earlier in Numbers, it’s stated that, if a man suspects his wife of sleeping with another man, he may bring her to a priest who will create some sort of magic potion with water and dirt. The woman is then made to drink said magic potion. If she has not cheated on her husband, nothing will happen.

If the woman has cheated and is carrying another man’s child, though, the mystical dirt water; we can call it magic mud, will cause her to immediately miscarry. This is a directive coming straight from God himself to Moses. So even if your little Bible thumping pro-life scripture can dodge all these other verses you kiddie clipped, you can’t deny that this one essentially says, “Abortion is okay as long as it’s forced upon a woman, against her will, for cheating on her husband.”



Yeah… that’s way more acceptable than what pro-choice advocates are going for…

You're be-clowning yourself

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah… that’s way more acceptable than what pro-choice advocates are going for…

Too bad for you in America we believe this sucker!

5:11 comes from Jewish law in numbers, something Jesus brought to an end.

..So yeah he and the people you're talking to agree with you there.

Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Jesus does not say no part of the law will ever pass away; he says no part of it shall pass away until it is fulfilled, and he says he came to do this very thing, to fulfill it. So, with his coming, the law has been fulfilled and has passed away.

We now live under the law of Christ, not beneath the law of Moses.

The reason 5:11 doesnt really hold up against pro lifers is because in the USA they claim that by accepting Jesus Christ as Savior a Christian is freed from any obligation to obey God’s law but left us with a warning to follow the 10 comandments:

“Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19).

one of which is about not killing.

so it's all about how we define killing/person/life/individual/etc

to their religion at least.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I have explained like a million times, killing children *ON PURPOSE*, for literally no reason other than to kill them, is significantly worse than killing a child by accident or negligently. It doesn't mean the latter is somehow okay, is that really what you think I believe?

The impass here is obviously that you don't consider babies human beings. I do. So maybe explain why they aren't human beings instead of some comparison to the obvious tragedy of kids dying in war, or cops making a split second life or death decision that kills somebody.

That isn't what I think you believe and that isn't what I believe. I have not engaged in the 'life begins at the moment of conception' argument because I don't think anyone can provide a definitive answer to that question either way. Or at least nobody that I take seriously.

I think it's just about choice. The state yields all kinds of death through a variety of means. We Americans make choices that support that, more or less, whether we want to or not. Just going to the goddamn grocery store can be causing children to die elsewhere in the world, indirectly. Certainly funding militaries and police, or various government departments. I don't get much choice in where my tax dollars go, but I could endeavor to minimize the amount I generate (living in the woods or something) ... which I don't do. I do work, and pay taxes. Another choice. Choosing which brands I purchase or don't purchase, assuming the market competition isn't an illusion and they're not all terrible. This is why we say "no ethical consumption under capitalism"

But for some reason, conservatives have decided that this particular choice - which JUUUUUST so happens to give a (conservative controlled) state a huge amount of power over women - needs to be regulated with the authority (and implied violence) of the state. This is the case whether it's a single actual state or the entire nation.

I find it all very hypocritical, for a party that's so often called itself "small government", "libertarian", "pro-freedom", et cetera. I also find the silence of the libertarian portion of the right wing pretty telling. None of the state's business.

[Ooloo]

I still don't understand why you can't just oppose abortion and not be religious? I mean I totally get the religious argument against it, but isn't it unnecessary? Like, I don't need a religious reason not to kick a puppy in the head, I just don't cause I'd feel really horrible. I'd also feel horrible killing a baby and throwing it in the garbage.