14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The constitution doesn't give you a right to own a gun: it gives you the right to be part of a well-organized and regulated militia. The Supreme Court made the individual right to own a gun up.

Haha what do you think a militia IS?

It's the citizenry being armed. That's literally what it is. Please don't pretend you actually give a shit about things being constitutional or not.

I didn't realize the supreme court just makes stuff up! It's almost like their whole job is to interpret the constitution and safeguard it's intent. If you disagree with their interpretation that's fine, but they aren't "making things up" just because you don't like their conclusion.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The constitution doesn't give you a right to own a gun: it gives you the right to be part of a well-organized and regulated militia. The Supreme Court made the individual right to own a gun up.

I take you have neither studied the constitution nor the law much?

[Rethalis]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The meme appears to be an effort to support the gun-advocate talking points.

In 2008, an 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head at a gun show in Massachusetts. In 2014, a 9-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed her instructor at a gun range in Arizona.

In addition, a number of gun-related deaths and injuries have occurred at gun shows proper, according to numerous news reports. Among them, five people in three states were injured when weapons accidentally went off at gun shows in one day in January 2013, while a man seriously injured himself outside an Iowa gun show by accidentally shooting himself in 2018.

A 2017 study by the University of California at Berkeley found “a nearly 70 percent increase in deaths and injuries from firearms in California communities within convenient driving distance of Nevada gun shows.” The state of Nevada “has some of the least restrictive firearm laws in the country and no explicit regulations on gun shows” whereas California “has some of the strongest firearm laws in the country,” per the study.

Keyword: *mass* shooting.

Thanks though.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again I'm not going to provide stats that are freely available on google. You have access to google. You've proven too many times that when somebody provides stats you don't like, you say those stats don't count for blah blah blah reason (usually cause you just don't like the source).

Layered bullshit. I've never had to do that because none of you right wing dudes here ever provide sources for shit, especially you.

And once again, you just panic. This is obviously because you just make things up. I want to see the specific source for your specific claims, Ooloo. Not that it actually exists.

The one time you even halfassedly tried with me it was a Matt Walsh video. Absolutely laughable. I have seen teenagers do a better job of backing up their claims in reddit posts

But whatever, it's irrelevant, since your proposal is still a whole lot of nothing

[unsunghero]

- background check wouldn’t have stopped this shooter, had no criminal record. Most of the gun violence in this country is perpetuated by felons with criminal records who are not legally allowed to own guns but still do

- waiting period would not have stopped this shooter, he had this thing planned like most do and likely have been willing to wait

- Red flag laws would not have stopped this shooter. These I don’t have a problem with but the FBI frankly SUCKS at them. One of the previous shooters posted online they were going to be a “professional school shooter”, was reported, and the FBI didn’t do shit

- Making it age 21 to buy a gun MIGHT have stopped this shooter, depending on his resourcefulness. He could still buy one from a friend, family member, or just whoever on the street if he had any connections at all. But I’ve already said I don’t have a huge problem personally with making legal age to buy a gun 21, mostly because I’m ageist against 18yr olds and think they’re morons

Just brainstorming because a lot of people are bitching about guns but not proposing any laws that could stop this sort of thing, unless they did and I missed it, I’ve only skimmed most posts

[Rethalis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The constitution doesn't give you a right to own a gun: it gives you the right to be part of a well-organized and regulated militia. The Supreme Court made the individual right to own a gun up.

Read it again and take note where the commas are placed. It's pretty important.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[Skarne]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Layered bullshit. I've never had to do that because none of you right wing dudes here ever provide sources for shit, especially you.

And once again, you just panic. This is obviously because you just make things up. I want to see the specific source for your specific claims, Ooloo. Not that it actually exists.

The one time you even halfassedly tried with me it was a Matt Walsh video. Absolutely laughable. I have seen teenagers do a better job of backing up their claims in reddit posts

But whatever, it's irrelevant, since your proposal is still a whole lot of nothing

I have also noticed this. Well put.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just brainstorming because a lot of people are bitching about guns but not proposing any laws that could stop this sort of thing, unless they did and I missed it, I’ve only skimmed most posts

I proposed only women and trans women should legally be permitted to own and operate firearms

That might have stopped this dude, and a lot of other crimes. All, no, but some, probably. And it would still prevent a good bit of violence against women perpetrated by men

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Rethalis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read it again and take note where the commas are placed. It's pretty important.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

So what's your point: let's just ignore the first half of the amendment, clearly the framers didn't think it mattered because they used commas?

And as a side note, the English language was significantly different hundreds of years ago, so applying any of our modern understanding of commas to it would be incorrect.

[Rethalis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what's your point: let's just ignore the first half of the amendment, clearly the framers didn't think it matter because they used commas?

Googled for you. https://www.google.com/search?q=what...obile&ie=UTF-8

The comma functions as a tool to indicate to readers a certain separation of words, phrases, or ideas in order to prevent misreading the writer's intended meaning. When a sentence is spoken aloud, a comma often represents a pause, which in verbal conversation functions to clarify meaning