Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Dogz_SS [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You ever see what 6 magicians can do? ��

Don't get him started. We'll have 500+ posts full of useless data on 6 shaman groups. He's probably already trying to math how much dps 6 epic clicks is.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Dogz_SS [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You ever see what 6 magicians can do? 🤣

Sure, at low levels. Show me a group of 6 level 60 Mages doing any camp of value. I never see that group comp at higher levels. We aren't on a fresh classic server where people are bum rushing manastones.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is why VQ is losing now, full of DSM's

Like honestly it's funny and all but I was debating dusting off my old rogue at some point and this thread is 100% reason enough to make me never give VQ a second look while this guy is a member. I'm sure they're fine and like most guilds have plenty of good people. But I think I'd kill myself if I had to listen to this level of nonsense in voice comms/guild chat all the time. DSM alone steering potential apps to Riot.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM, you keep harping on the utility value of a Shaman over a Mage, but would you not concede that a Necro would bring even more utility to the group, as well as higher DPS than a Shaman?

They can spot heal. They can snare. They can pull. They can mez on charm breaks. They can twitch. They can charm undead. They can rez. They have a much better pet. Hell, they can even root rot adds off the side the way you claim is effective!

And they are providing most of this value for the entire leveling process, not just at level 60 after acquiring the most expensive spell in the game.

It's time to face facts, DSM: your fat Ogre Shaman has no place in this group, and should be relegated to the tunnel SoWing newbs and selling potions.

This gave me a good laugh, so I guess something good came out of this threat at least.

The man is insane. Even if he's trolling!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This gave me a good laugh, so I guess something good came out of this threat at least.

The man is insane. Even if he's trolling!

Both you and PlsNoBan already admitted the DPS of the fourth person is irrelevant. The debate is lost just from that lol. Enchanters provide the DPS, Shaman provides access to more camps and safety. If you think your group is good enough, just roll with 3 or 4 Enchanters instead. I know you guys understand RNG can cause issues. It is why you aren't suggesting 3-4 Enchanters[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like honestly it's funny and all but I was debating dusting off my old rogue at some point and this thread is 100% reason enough to make me never give VQ a second look while this guy is a member. I'm sure they're fine and like most guilds have plenty of good people. But I think I'd kill myself if I had to listen to this level of nonsense in voice comms/guild chat all the time. DSM alone steering potential apps to Riot.

You have no basis for this claim. I would be more worried about you to be honest. You think anybody who disagrees with you is autistic. You start yelling at them, and nobody can stop you, even when presented with factual data. The 500+ insult/meme posts combined from you and the other trolls is pretty damning.

[Gloomlord]

Where the hell did we say the DPS was irrelevant?!?! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We said the utility was irrelevant. Why? Because you argue it's worth keeping the shaman for, even though it clearly isn't.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman DPS and healing is completely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 encs and a cleric do not need:
Your healing
Your slows
Your roots
Your dots (mobs die too fast)
Your tanking
Your pet

Mobs generally die too fast and charm pets are too tanky to even worry about slowing but if you do need slow enc slow is only 5% less than yours.

Both of you have already said what other people in the thread have said, including myself. In a four man group with 2x Enchanters, DPS of the fourth member really isn't that relevant.

You claim Shaman DPS is irrelevant. Shamans can output 50 DPS vs a Mage's 80 DPS. If 50 DPS is irrelevant, you need to explain how 30 DPS makes a huge difference, to the point where it is relevant.

[Gloomlord]

What is this? I can't even...

We're arguing that, compared to mage, shaman bring less DPS, and that their utility is obsolete in this group. None of us are claiming the DPS is irrelevant.

You illiterate fool. At least read before you try to manipulate the argument in your favour.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is this? I can't even...

We're arguing that, compared to mage, shaman bring less DPS, and that their utility is obsolete in this group. None of us are claiming the DPS is irrelevant.

You illiterate fool. At least read before you try to manipulate the argument in your favour.

You can't have it both ways lol. You can't claim a Shaman's DPS is irrelevant, but a Mages is relevant when the difference isn't that big.

Shaman DPS is not somehow special. 50 Shaman DPS is the same as 50 Mage DPS.

[Gloomlord]

UTILITY!

THE WORD IS "UTILITY"!

UTILITY!