Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One side provided relevant data.

The other side posted videos of solo encounters.

It’s funny. If this were a game of chess DSM was solidly in “check-mate” sometime around 300 pages ago. Instead this clown has spent weeks arguing he’s not actually in checkmate. His dead queen, bishops and rolls are clearly not dead. They are alive because his napkin math stated evidence to the contrary.

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I don’t know though … who’s the bigger fool? The fool or the folks who foolishly think they can talk sense into the fool?

For now I’m mostly in it for the laughs. The longer this drags on the more foolish the fool looks.

It is up to you to prove the DPS numbers will change. That is the claim you are making. I am not making this claim at all, because mob AC/HP/Resists factually do not change when soloing vs. grouping. It is a strange claim to be honest if you understood how the basic math of the game works.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is up to you to prove the DPS numbers will change. That is the claim you are making. I am not making this claim at all, because mob AC/HP/Resists factually do not change when soloing vs. grouping. It is a strange claim to be honest if you understood how the basic math of the game works.

You tried to claim:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

and then you simply contradicted yourself by subsequently posting:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

As I have repeatedly stated to you - it is not always clear to other posters what particular position/claim/"arguent" you are defending at any given time due to how often you have moved the goalposts & edited your posts. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which belief do you currently hold/"argue" hehe? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Please elaborate for the sake of civil discussion.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is up to you to prove the DPS numbers will change. That is the claim you are making.

No it is not. I could post logs of videos of me soloing. We could compare that to the videos you have already posted. THAT would be a direct comparison. We could also expand that and see who could deal the most damage over time and get the most kills. Know who would win? The shaman. Why? Dots. Rots. Roots. Epic click. Slow. Canni.

For all the reasons shamans are great. They would win by a landslide.

If we are going to compare. It needs to be apples to apples. Not apples to bacon. Not apples to gravel.

This thread is about a theoretical best 4 man caster GROUP. A shaman soloing is irrelevant.

You are the shaman. I proffered the mage data in a group of comparable dps to 2x charm enchanter pet + my own dps output. You have not joined a group to see how much damage you can actually do.

My guess is less. Only you can provide the data to prove otherwise.

Why won’t you?

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it is not. I could post logs of videos of me soloing. We could compare that to the videos you have already posted. THAT would be a direct comparison. We could also expand that and see who could deal the most damage over time and get the most kills. Know who would win? The shaman. Why? Dots. Rots. Roots. Epic click. Slow. Canni.

For all the reasons shamans are great. They would win by a landslide.

If we are going to compare. It needs to be apples to apples. Not apples to bacon. Not apples to gravel.

This thread is about a theoretical best 4 man caster GROUP. A shaman soloing is irrelevant.

You are the shaman. I proffered the mage data in a group of comparable dps to 2x charm enchanter pet + my own dps output. You have not joined a group to see how much damage you can actually do.

My guess is less. Only you can provide the data to prove otherwise.

Why won’t you?

Again, you need to prove the comparison is invalid. So far you haven't provided any evidence other than you saying so.

The funny thing is your screenshot of a parse doesn't prove the data you captured was even from the group that supposedly fills your requirements. For all we know, you were just soloing and happened to be parsing a group nearby.

If you are asking me to prove a negative, I will simply do the same. You need to provide evidence your data was even from a group.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, you need to prove the comparison is invalid. So far you haven't provided any evidence other than you saying so.

The funny thing is your screenshot of a parse doesn't prove the data you captured was even from the group that supposedly fills your requirements. For all we know, you were just soloing and happened to be parsing a group nearby.

If you are asking me to prove a negative, I will simply do the same. You need to provide evidence your data was even from a group.

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[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, you need to prove the comparison is invalid. So far you haven't provided any evidence other than you saying so.

The funny thing is your screenshot of a parse doesn't prove the data you captured was even from the group that supposedly fills your requirements. For all we know, you were just soloing and happened to be parsing a group nearby.

If you are asking me to prove a negative, I will simply do the same. You need to provide evidence your data was even from a group.

That's simple:

Solo =/= "4 person all caster/priest group"
"Correct" =/= "Relevant"
4 =/= 5

You tried to claim:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

and then you simply contradicted yourself by subsequently posting:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

As I have repeatedly stated to you - it is not always clear to other posters what particular position/claim/"arguent" you are defending at any given time due to how often you have moved the goalposts & edited your posts. This really isn't hard hehe.

Which belief do you currently hold/"argue" hehe? Please elaborate for the sake of civil discussion.