Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Glad to see people have finally learned something about DPS, which is why they are no longer considering Mage over Shaman.

The Druid argument is very obviously designed to simply be contrarian, but I will count it as progress none the less.

My vote is still OPs choice of Necro/Shaman/Enchanter/Mage for maximum camp options and great heals/DPS/utility.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Between those 2 for the group makeup in question I'm going druid for almost every situation. Less utility overlap. Just as much or more safety (heals, snare, root, harmony outdoors, evac). Similar dps without charms. Massively more dps if animals available for charm. Extra mana regen buff for an entirely caster group. It's absolutely a no brainer.

Druid 3
Shaman 0

Get your votes in!

If DSM doesn’t cast an official vote I’ll presume shaman is his preference and happily cast his vote in absentia for him.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Glad to see people have finally learned something about DPS, which is why they are no longer considering Mage over Shaman.

Nah I’m pretty sure everyone but you still agrees Necro, a 3rd ench, mage are still the best choice. Personally considering the whole scope I think I would probably settle on nec >= mage > ench.

This is a vote off for who gets the coveted 4th place award and which class is relegated to be being right beside wizard at the bottom.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My vote is still OPs choice of Necro/Shaman/Enchanter/Mage for maximum camp options and great heals/DPS/utility.

That’s not what we’re voting on.

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Having said that I find it funny that for all your mage hate you still put mage in your ideal 4 man group over the cleric lol. All to rationalize needing the shaman. Cause if you can’t have a cleric shaman is the ideal secondary healer choice?

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I have stated many times shamans are arguably tied for first as the single standalone best solo class in the game. Top 3 for standard groups. Top 2 for duos. Cleric/ench is best but cut out the enchanter and shaman can duo with pretty much anything to great effect. Sham + any melee (even rog let the sham tank. Sham plus any pet class. Heck even 2 shamans if you split the “extra” duties, rock 2 pets, stagger who casts what dots, etc.

Top tier for raids too.

Troxx seems to think Shamans are pretty good.

OP thinks so too.

You don't have to bend over backwards to try and exclude Shamans just to try and "win" against me.

I don't have any Mage hate. I like Mages. I like Wizards too. But I am also realistic about how the game works.

[Troxx]

So I’m assuming you want to vote for shaman. I’ll add it to the tally. If you change your mind let me know and I’ll happily change it to druid for you.

Druid 3
Shaman 1

Get your votes in!

If DSM won’t cast an official vote so I’ll presume shaman is his preference and have happily cast his vote in absentia for him.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having said that I find it funny that for all your mage hate you still put mage in your ideal 4 man group over the cleric lol. All to rationalize needing the shaman. Cause if you can’t have a cleric shaman is the ideal secondary healer choice?

I have no Mage hate. I like Mages.

Unlike yourself I can objectively look at the game. I am picking Mage for CoTH support on camps like Royals, not primarily for DPS, which has been your argument.

Shaman is a great healer in small group situations, including 4 man groups. Between the Necro and Shaman there isn't any camp I can think of where CH would be necessary due to Torpor + Necro heal being insufficient after slow.

Enchanter/Shaman/Necro/Mage hits all the breakpoints and has the most camp options. Plus pocket clerics are a common occurence among epxerienced players.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I have stated many times shamans are arguably tied for first as the single standalone best solo class in the game. Top 3 for standard groups. Top 2 for duos. Cleric/ench is best but cut out the enchanter and shaman can duo with pretty much anything to great effect. Sham + any melee (even rog let the sham tank. Sham plus any pet class. Heck even 2 shamans if you split the “extra” duties, rock 2 pets, stagger who casts what dots, etc.

Top tier for raids too.

They simply do not thrive in this theoretical group as well as others.

You forgot the relevant part of the quote. Conveniently left out so it fits your agenda? I have come to expect nothing less from ya DSM. Quote the whole me, not excluding the parts you find objectionable.

I have lots of love for shamans. Overpowered class to be honest. But reference the above part I appropriately quoted and made BOLD SO YOU CAN READ IT BETTER

But … when you can’t win the argument ..

If you can’t objectively make the case that starting with the agreed upon best of the best starting three classes in this theoretical 4 man group …

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Remove the cleric? What a dumb thing to even consider.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You forgot the relevant part of the quote. Conveniently left out so it fits your agenda? I have come to expect nothing less from ya DSM. Quote the whole me, not excluding the parts you find objectionable.

I have lots of love for shamans. Overpowered class to be honest. But reference the above part I appropriately quoted and made BOLD SO YOU CAN READ IT BETTER

I read that part the first time. It is simply a silly comment based on your description above. Completely contrary to what you wrote above.

It is clear you are only rating Shamans lower here out of some desire to prove me wrong. A Shaman doesn't suddenly lose it's overpowered nature in a group with one more person lol.

[Troxx]

Druid 3
Shaman 1

Get your votes in!

If DSM won’t cast an official vote so I’ll presume shaman is his preference and have happily cast his vote in absentia for him. If he changes is mind I’ll happily change his vote to druid for him.

[Karanis]

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