Any roll for loot guilds on Green?

[-TK-]

Originally Posted by jolanar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DKP is the most fair system, however it does tend to shut out players who can only raid a few times a month. When you won't get any items for many months it definitely makes you feel like why bother at all.

Fact is P99 raiding is pretty much only for nerds with way too much time on their hands who can schedule their life around a video game. That's just something you have to accept if you want to play here.

This is Everquest ... most decent raid loot does literally take months to get even if you are in a top guild. You have to first get the mob, then it has to drop the loot you want, then you have to bid enough DKP or win your random against 60+ other people. That's a lot of conditions that have to be met especially on contested mobs that only spawn once or twice a week with a chance of spawning outside of your playtime. Any seasoned EQ player knows and accepts this but still finds ways to enjoy the game and raiding experience.

The second part of your statement is unequivocally false as many of us fairly casual raiders with work and family can attest. There are a handful of neckbeards left on this server that carry a lot of the weight when it comes to off-hours tracking, but there is tons of room in raiding for casual players in the current environment. If you define casual as 2 hours a week, then there really isn't much of a chance of any kind of loot from even regular named mobs so it's not worth discussing. I play mostly in the evenings a few times a week after my family goes to bed and while I work on language lessons or catch up on market news and I find plenty of places to earn DKP and get to kill quite a few dragons a month. Do I occassionally dedicate some weekend time to a quake? Absolutely, because I enjoy it and it's a great chance to rack up some quick DKP. I may not get to use that DKP on what I really want for a couple months, but it will still be there when I need it and I'm also helping friends and guildies get things they've probably been waiting months for as well.

Life is about time management and trade-offs with what you want to do vs. what you need to do, and for some people, EQ won't ever really fit your schedule (demanding job(s), demanding wife, bunch of kids, prefers to sleep), and that's not really different from almost any recreational activity. I somehow manage to kill dragons and earn DKP by doing things like camping idols, tracking for an hour or two, killing dragons, and helping with logistics for the guild all while never missing my kid's sports games or academic activities and going on dates with my wife and outdoor trips with the boys, but according to the naysayers around here none of this is possible. This is probably the most casual-friendly time period in P99's history with increased quakes, multiple draft weeks, no RA for top guilds, new member DKP bonuses, etc...so if you think you'll never see dragons or raid gear at this point, you're probably right because you have to put such little effort in at this point, that I'm going to say you're just making excuses and not even trying.

There is definitely a correlation between the time invested vs. reward here, but if you know you're a casual then why are you going into raiding thinking it won't take you longer to achieve your goals in the first place? If it took you a year+ to get to 60 on your first toon, how can you really expect a bunch of top loot in a couple of months? This has never been a game of quick rewards unless you play on a custom or instanced server. The more time you spend sitting on the sidelines complaining about the neckbeards, not earning DKP or getting to random on loot, the less likely it is to happen. With a DKP guild you can slowly accumulate your points when you CAN play and they'll still be there when you get a chance to spend them. Your other option is to sit in a random loot guild and hope against all odds that you can snipe that one piece of loot you want, when it does happen to drop, from the 30, 40, and 50+ other people hoping to snipe it, too.

[jolanar]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is Everquest ... most decent raid loot does literally take months to get even if you are in a top guild. You have to first get the mob, then it has to drop the loot you want, then you have to bid enough DKP or win your random against 60+ other people. That's a lot of conditions that have to be met especially on contested mobs that only spawn once or twice a week with a chance of spawning outside of your playtime. Any seasoned EQ player knows and accepts this but still finds ways to enjoy the game and raiding experience.

The second part of your statement is unequivocally false as many of us fairly casual raiders with work and family can attest. There are a handful of neckbeards left on this server that carry a lot of the weight when it comes to off-hours tracking, but there is tons of room in raiding for casual players in the current environment. If you define casual as 2 hours a week, then there really isn't much of a chance of any kind of loot from even regular named mobs so it's not worth discussing. I play mostly in the evenings a few times a week after my family goes to bed and while I work on language lessons or catch up on market news and I find plenty of places to earn DKP and get to kill quite a few dragons a month. Do I occassionally dedicate some weekend time to a quake? Absolutely, because I enjoy it and it's a great chance to rack up some quick DKP. I may not get to use that DKP on what I really want for a couple months, but it will still be there when I need it and I'm also helping friends and guildies get things they've probably been waiting months for as well.

Life is about time management and trade-offs with what you want to do vs. what you need to do, and for some people, EQ won't ever really fit your schedule (demanding job(s), demanding wife, bunch of kids, prefers to sleep), and that's not really different from almost any recreational activity. I somehow manage to kill dragons and earn DKP by doing things like camping idols, tracking for an hour or two, killing dragons, and helping with logistics for the guild all while never missing my kid's sports games or academic activities and going on dates with my wife and outdoor trips with the boys, but according to the naysayers around here none of this is possible. This is probably the most casual-friendly time period in P99's history with increased quakes, multiple draft weeks, no RA for top guilds, new member DKP bonuses, etc...so if you think you'll never see dragons or raid gear at this point, you're probably right because you have to put such little effort in at this point, that I'm going to say you're just making excuses and not even trying.

There is definitely a correlation between the time invested vs. reward here, but if you know you're a casual then why are you going into raiding thinking it won't take you longer to achieve your goals in the first place? If it took you a year+ to get to 60 on your first toon, how can you really expect a bunch of top loot in a couple of months? This has never been a game of quick rewards unless you play on a custom or instanced server. The more time you spend sitting on the sidelines complaining about the neckbeards, not earning DKP or getting to random on loot, the less likely it is to happen. With a DKP guild you can slowly accumulate your points when you CAN play and they'll still be there when you get a chance to spend them. Your other option is to sit in a random loot guild and hope against all odds that you can snipe that one piece of loot you want, when it does happen to drop, from the 30, 40, and 50+ other people hoping to snipe it, too.

Copium.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by jolanar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Copium.

I don't think you know what that term means...

[jolanar]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think you know what that term means...

IMO If you are scheduling your life around a video game you are no longer casual.

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[cd288]

Originally Posted by jolanar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMO If you are scheduling your life around a video game you are no longer casual.

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This is a really strange thing to say.

So you're going to call someone a neckbeard if they don't have plans on like a Thursday night so they decide to be home by like 8 PM to do a raid?

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by jolanar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMO If you are scheduling your life around a video game you are no longer casual.

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The neckiest of the beards do schedule, however 75-90% of anyone who has earned any dkp ever simply logs on when they see a batphone message on their phones from discord and they have the time to log in, kill the mob, and log off.

Quakes are a little different because so much DKP can be earned in a short time.

[Danth]

If a video game guild has your contact info, or if you're dropping what you're doing to log in on-call, or if you're being paid (real or fake currency) for your time online, you are not casual. A casual could make some time for draft days once in awhile, probably, or budget some time for a weekly Plane of Air trip. P99 is some bizarro world where you're a filthy casual if you aren't putting in 60 hours a week online. Most of the actual casuals on P99 aren't hanging out on the forums, and few of them raid to any significant extent. Probably most the P99'ers in threads like these are someplace in the middle, moderate-hours gamers who don't get a fancy term.

Danth

[-TK-]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Probably most the P99'ers in threads like these are someplace in the middle, moderate-hours gamers who don't get a fancy term.

Danth

Casual < enthusiast < neckbeard?

Everquest enthusiast has a nice ring to it.

[-TK-]

Originally Posted by jolanar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMO If you are scheduling your life around a video game you are no longer casual.

Nah, you're just shortsighted and see things in black and white while ignoring the greys. Not that my post even says I schedule to play very often as I usually just play when it's convenient for me, but don't most people schedule their hobbies?

Sports fans schedule hours to watch games, hikers schedule days for hiking trips, people plan drinks with friends sometimes at a moment's notice (batphoned!), FPS players schedule times to FPS with their boys, basketweavers schedule time to basketweave, etc... At the end of the day EQ is a hobby for most players so giving people shit for scheduling time for their hobby is just strange and out of touch.

The truest neckbeards on blue are maybe a total of 20-25 people between the top two guilds that seem to have an unusually high amount of time to play, but hey, to each their own if that's your bag. I'm physically fit/active and have a great RL while still managing to kill some dragons and hang out with my internet friends a couple times a week. If that's copium then I'm coping hard! It's honestly never been better to be a casual player on P99. I've never once been pressured by my guild to play more than I do, and they are always happy when I show up to help out.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, you're just shortsighted and see things in black and white while ignoring the greys. Not that my post even says I schedule to play very often as I usually just play when it's convenient for me, but don't most people schedule their hobbies?

Sports fans schedule hours to watch games, hikers schedule days for hiking trips, people plan drinks with friends sometimes at a moment's notice (batphoned!), FPS players schedule times to FPS with their boys, basketweavers schedule time to basketweave, etc... At the end of the day EQ is a hobby for most players so giving people shit for scheduling time for their hobby is just strange and out of touch.

The truest neckbeards on blue are maybe a total of 20-25 people between the top two guilds that seem to have an unusually high amount of time to play, but hey, to each their own if that's your bag. I'm physically fit/active and have a great RL while still managing to kill some dragons and hang out with my internet friends a couple times a week. If that's copium then I'm coping hard! It's honestly never been better to be a casual player on P99. I've never once been pressured by my guild to play more than I do, and they are always happy when I show up to help out.

I agree with you generally, but if you're cancelling other plans on a weekend for example because things are in window then I would say you're not a casual. Sometimes choosing to not make plans on like a Friday night because your guild raids X zone each week that night does not make you a neckbeard like the other guy claims though.