Best SK Race for Questing

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Troll if you mostly solo, Ogre if you prefer to group/raid.

Troll Regen on a Shadowknight specifically is going to give you way more bang for your buck when soloing over FSI. You will have a lot less downtime, and similar starting stats to an Ogre. You are going to be fear kiting a lot of the time, which means you aren't getting hit much, so FSI isn't doing a lot for you.

FSI becomes better in group/raid situations, because racial regeneration isn't very fast. You will probably have a healer, and they are going to be keeping you at safe HP levels, not your regeneration.

Iksar is generally the worst choice because you can't use Blood Ember clickies. Greenmist is not a very good weapon, and will get replaced by better ones. It's also not worth it to try and stack Epic + Greenmist. You will only get like 100 extra HP over simply procing Epic twice in a short timespan, and you will probably end up losing more HP due to losing DPS while swinging Greenmist.

EDIT: Quest-wise you can fix your faction on any race, so race isn't really a hard requirement, with the exception of Greenmist since it is Iksar only. So if doing the maximum number of quests possible is your primary goal, then maybe Iksar is the right choice. But you may regret it later if that goal changes.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Greenmist is not a very good weapon

What?? That's a heck of a "hot take," applicable only to a small portion of the player base. Remember that not everyone has interest in raiding north wing Tempole Veeshan. Most people do not reach level 60 at all. Most those who do reach level 60 do not raid at the high-end to a particularly great extent. The folks awash in high-end items are a minority of a minority. Greenmist is one of the best weapons out there for lower- and mid-range players and is at or near the best weapon a lot of those iksar shadowknights will ever have access to, and certainly one of the few that offers meaningful self-healing.

Iksars are a good choice for someone who wants to do a lot of the game's quests because Kunark and Cabilis was generally more fleshed out than the old world. The other races, any of them can do Darkforge. Dark elves get the Thex Mallet quest; Dark elves, humans, and erudites can all double-dip the necromancer quests their respective guilds offer. Humans can start in Qeynos which is the most-developed of the old world cities with a fair amount of low-level quests. I don't recollect anything particularly inspiring from the ogre or troll areas. Their areas always felt somewhat under-developed to me compared to the others.

Danth

[Encroaching Death]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What?? That's a heck of a "hot take,"

If you're only going by damage, it's slightly better than an Ebon Mace.

But it's a cool weapon. I like it. I wouldn't call it "bad".

[Danth]

A Shiny Brass Halberd is not a very good weapon in this era. Dark Reavers are also pretty outdated. An Ebon Mace is fine. Greenmist is excellent. I feel like some of the folks on this board are terrified of doing Blackburrow unless they have a 1:1 ratio weapon in their hands.

[Sarleon8503]

So about the questing, since that looks to be what this thread is about. I would say Iksar have the MOST race specific quests for Shadow Knights. However, a lot of random quests that don't look to be race specific. Hope this helps ya out.


Here are some quests that I can think of.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Ridossan%27s_Spirit
https://wiki.project1999.com/Darkforge_Armor_Quests

Erudite:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Experienced_Courier

Dark Elf:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Thex_Mallet_Quest

Iksar:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Dreadscale_Armor
https://wiki.project1999.com/Crusader%27s_Tests

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Sarleon8503 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So about the questing, since that looks to be what this thread is about. I would say Iksar have the MOST race specific quests for Shadow Knights. However, a lot of random quests that don't look to be race specific. Hope this helps ya out.


Here are some quests that I can think of.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Ridossan%27s_Spirit
https://wiki.project1999.com/Darkforge_Armor_Quests

Erudite:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Experienced_Courier

Dark Elf:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Thex_Mallet_Quest

Iksar:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Dreadscale_Armor
https://wiki.project1999.com/Crusader%27s_Tests

Any race can do any quest. You just need to adjust your faction. Some quests like Greenmist and Dreadscale Armor are only wearable by Iksar, but you could still do the quest for fun. So it depends on how much OP wants to rely on the gear he gets from questing vs. just doing the quests for fun. Darkforge and Dreadscale are comparable armor sets, so you could roll a Troll, do Darkforge, and then do Dreadscale later.

Iksar is definately not a bad choice if your primary goal is doing quests and wearing the items obtained from said quests, but again they are generally speaking one of the worst Shadowknight races due to not being able to wear Blood Ember. Just making sure OP understands the tradeoff.

Plenty of people start a character with a goal in mind, but change over time due to Everquest being such a long game. The more info OP has, the better. Less chance of regret later on.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Picking iksar specifcally for Greenmist would be silly, I agree. It's not the item's fault if a person makes a decision for the wrong reasons. If a player's going to pick iksar anyway because he likes iksars, then other click items are moot and Greenmist is a very good available option for him to eventually work towards.

Agreed!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What?? That's a heck of a "hot take," applicable only to a small portion of the player base. Remember that not everyone has interest in raiding north wing Tempole Veeshan. Most people do not reach level 60 at all. Most those who do reach level 60 do not raid at the high-end to a particularly great extent. The folks awash in high-end items are a minority of a minority. Greenmist is one of the best weapons out there for lower- and mid-range players and is at or near the best weapon a lot of those iksar shadowknights will ever have access to, and certainly one of the few that offers meaningful self-healing.

Iksars are a good choice for someone who wants to do a lot of the game's quests because Kunark and Cabilis was generally more fleshed out than the old world. The other races, any of them can do Darkforge. Dark elves get the Thex Mallet quest; Dark elves, humans, and erudites can all double-dip the necromancer quests their respective guilds offer. Humans can start in Qeynos which is the most-developed of the old world cities with a fair amount of low-level quests. I don't recollect anything particularly inspiring from the ogre or troll areas. Their areas always felt somewhat under-developed to me compared to the others.

Danth

Ebon Mace, Reaver, Shard of Night, and Argent Protector are all great weapons that are fairly cheap to buy. All of these weapons are easily obtainable by a casual player just farming plat by killing guards.

Greenmist really isn't very good sadly, even taking into account the proc. Having a Reaver + Blood Ember Gloves is going to be better than Greenmist.

The reason why Greenmist is a worse weapon compared to the ones I mentioned above is because you lose access to Blood Ember clickies. Those are going to help you way more than the proc from Greenmist. Shadowknights are constrained by their mana, so having a free snare clickie is huge. The ratios on all the weapons mentioned above (besides Ebon Mace) are also better than Greenmist. Ebon Mace isn't far off, its a 0.79 ratio compared to Greenmist's 0.82.

[Danth]

Picking iksar specifcally for Greenmist would be silly, I agree. It's not the item's fault if a person makes a decision for the wrong reasons. If a player's going to pick iksar anyway because he likes iksars, then other click items are moot and Greenmist is a very good available option for him to eventually work towards.

[Sweeper41]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ebon Mace, Reaver, Shard of Night, and Argent
Greenmist really isn't very good sadly, even taking into account the proc. Having a Reaver + Blood Ember Gloves is going to be better than Greenmist.

The reason why Greenmist is a worse weapon compared to the ones I mentioned above is because you lose access to Blood Ember clickies. Those are going to help you way more than the proc from Greenmist. Shadowknights are constrained by their mana, so having a free snare clickie is huge. The ratios on all the weapons mentioned above (besides Ebon Mace) are also better than Greenmist. Ebon Mace isn't far off, its a 0.79 ratio compared to Greenmist's 0.82.

Disagree. You do not need any blood ember to solo to 60. Greenmist proc is worth cause it can stack with other weapon procs, so you just switch out when you get one. Greenmist is easy to obtain if you put in the work and buy 1 MQ for around 4k.

Also a casual doesn't have the 30k+ to drop on pants they would only use to save themselves 60 mana. Also having to switch pants just to click during some kinda near death encounter will just get you killed. Blood Ember is overrated. Fun to have but you already have all the tools you need in your spell book.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Sweeper41 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disagree. You do not need any blood ember to solo to 60. Greenmist proc is worth cause it can stack with other weapon procs, so you just switch out when you get one. Greenmist is easy to obtain if you put in the work and buy 1 MQ for around 4k.

Also a casual doesn't have the 30k+ to drop on pants they would only use to save themselves 60 mana. Also having to switch pants just to click during some kinda near death encounter will just get you killed. Blood Ember is overrated. Fun to have but you already have all the tools you need in your spell book.

Blood Ember is still useful at 60, and it isn't difficult to get a better ratio weapon or Epic by the time you hit 60.

Greenmist is more overrated than Blood Ember. Mana is the bottleneck on an SK, not generally HP. Blood Ember saves you a lot of mana, where Greenmist doesn't.

If you are fighting a mob that cannot be feared (where Blood Ember is useless), you are generally doing solo challenge stuff, and at that point you are probably raid geared, which probably means you have your Epic. Casual players aren't going to be soloing Cliff Golems.

I do agree if you are specifically making an SK with the purpose of never reaching level 60, Greenmist can be fun to get. But you will feel the loss of Blood Ember at lower levels too, so it isn't a clean win.