Enchanter Epic piece from Hate

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nerf enchanters and someone finds out how to do it with 3 people... Loramin is under the assumption that if you nerf enchanters that the server will go back to 1999.

Obviously it won't, but it would make the server closer to classic. In classic Enchanters were an essential part of groups; here you can rarely find one LFG and ... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] groups are far less prevalent.

Again, it won't magically bring the server back to '99-'01, but if Enchanters were motivated to group again, it would certainly bring it a lot closer (not to mention the fact that it would free up a ton of high-end camps for groups, or at least duos/trios).

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously it won't, but it would make the server closer to classic. In classic Enchanters were an essential part of groups; here you can rarely find one LFG and ... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] groups are far less prevalent.

Again, it won't magically bring the server back to '99-'01, but if Enchanters were motivated to group again, it would certainly bring it a lot closer (not to mention the fact that it would free up a ton of high-end camps for groups, or at least duos/trios).

I spend a fair bit of time in chardok,seb. Often times the zones are empty, if groups want camps there's lots not being taken by solo enchanters.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I spend a fair bit of time in chardok,seb. Often times the zones are empty, if groups want camps there's lots not being taken by solo enchanters.

This is from the guy that use to bitch about raiding while his guild tried and he was farming geos. Hope that helps. Loramin just likes to bitch.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is from the guy that use to bitch about raiding while his guild tried and he was farming geos. Hope that helps. Loramin just likes to bitch.

Huh?

Originally Posted by Optti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so your argument is that creators of everquest made enchanters, with a charm spell, but they never intended the charm spell to be used to charm mobs and make them fight eachother for the player's gain?

No, my argument is that charming wasn't nearly as safe (for all classes, not just Enchanters) back in '99-'01 as it is on P99 today. And if you simply read old pages about EQ on the Wayback machine, you'll see a wealth of evidence suggesting as much: everyone thought of Enchanters as a grouping class, for instance.

[Infectious]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh?



No, my argument is that charming wasn't nearly as safe (for all classes, not just Enchanters) back in '99-'01 as it is on P99 today. And if you simply read old pages about EQ on the Wayback machine, you'll see a wealth of evidence suggesting as much: everyone thought of Enchanters as a grouping class, for instance.

So should rogean throttle peoples internet or something?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Optti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so peoples perceptions of charming were that it was very unsafe / not viable in 99 and now, in 2023 people feel safer charming

why would the gameplay ever be the same in year one of a game versus year 24 of a game?

It had nothing to do with perceptions: the game was how it was, and it had more than 10x the number of players as P99. All those people didn't just ignore a spell on their spell list because they were dumb or had false perceptions.

If charming was as awesome as it is here, Enchanters back then would have (for instance) charmed in groups. But they didn't, and you can see as much in old forum posts. It wasn't because of stupidity, it was because charming was too risky.

It's just like with binding wounds in combat. People here kept patting themselves on the back for how smart they were doing something people in '99 were too dumb to do ... until it was proven that it was impossible in '99, and the problem was that our emulator wasn't emulating properly.

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So should rogean throttle peoples internet or something?

We have the AoE limit don't we? Are you arguing we shouldn't have it?

But, as I've said before, we don't need some special meta rule to make the server more classic. We just need to make the emulator itself more accurate, and there are already tickets (with solid evidence) in the bug forums explaining how to do that.