Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Vexenu]

I am personally all-in on the Enc/Enc/Clr/Wiz train now. How can an Ogre with 60 Intelligence (literally a retard-level IQ) from the swamps of Oggok hope to compete with a Wizard with 255 INT (god-tier IQ) from the upper echelons of Felwithe or Neriak? The Ogre has almost certainly never touched a woman, and probably can't even tie his own shoes, assuming he can even find a pair that fit on his fat, elephant-like feet. Meanwhile, the Wizard is effortlessly spitting out 56 DPS with a Rend Robe, snaring, stunning, bursting down nameds, staff pulling, TLing and porting all over the world AND TO OTHER PLANES OF EXISTENCE ENTIRELY.

And the Chad Wizard does all of this before the virgin Ogre can even remember what class he is, and while maintaining a levitation spell on the slutty Human chick from South Qeynos he keeps hidden under his flowing, majestic robe.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am personally all-in on the Enc/Enc/Clr/Wiz train now. How can an Ogre with 60 Intelligence (literally a retard-level IQ) from the swamps of Oggok hope to compete with a Wizard with 255 INT (god-tier IQ) from the upper echelons of Felwithe or Neriak? The Ogre has almost certainly never touched a woman, and probably can't even tie his own shoes, assuming he can even find a pair that fit on his fat, elephant-like feet. Meanwhile, the Wizard is effortlessly spitting out 56 DPS with a Rend Robe, snaring, stunning, bursting down nameds, staff pulling, TLing and porting all over the world AND TO OTHER PLANES OF EXISTENCE ENTIRELY.

And the Chad Wizard does all of this before the virgin Ogre can even remember what class he is, and while maintaining a levitation spell on the slutty Human chick from South Qeynos he keeps hidden under his flowing, majestic robe.

I accept your story as a concession that you cannot back up your claims. I do find the story amusing for sure! I also think Wizards are a fine class.

However, if you wanted a solo crew with a dedicated Wizard, a Shaman/Enchanter/Enchanter/Wizard group would be an even stronger option in that scenario. The Shaman can solo something like A4 while there are no duo targets available. The Cleric cannot solo as much as a Shaman, so you are restricting your options by forcing a duo + solo split with Cleric/Enchanter/Enchanter/Wizard. You could have a 3 player solo split with a Shaman. Nobody seems to be disagreeing with the idea that Shamans are a very strong solo class. When an Enchanter does need backup for a harder target, the Shaman will work just fine. That is the whole purpose of the Wizard after all, being able to gather up the group members quickly to hit a target.

You can also just roll Barbarian if you care so much about looking like a human as a Shaman.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I accept your story as a concession that you cannot back up your claims. I do find the story amusing for sure! I also think Wizards are a fine class.

However, if you wanted a solo crew with a dedicated Wizard, a Shaman/Enchanter/Enchanter/Wizard group would be an even stronger option in that scenario. The Shaman can solo something like A4 while there are no duo targets available. The Cleric cannot solo as much as a Shaman, so you are restricting your options by forcing a duo + solo split with Cleric/Enchanter/Enchanter/Wizard. You could have a 3 player solo split with a Shaman. Nobody seems to be disagreeing with the idea that Shamans are a very strong solo class. When an Enchanter does need backup for a harder target, the Shaman will work just fine. That is the whole purpose of the Wizard after all, being able to gather up the group members quickly to hit a target.

You can also just roll Barbarian if you care so much about looking like a human as a Shaman.

This was another sad strawman attempt to flex shamans. If you all want to separate, there’s no group. You just all solo/duo and pay dials as needed.

The reality is even a wizard brings more than a shaman. Nobody wants a shaman being the main healer when you’re fighting non trivial mobs. The wizard with vp robe can out dps a shaman, it can port, it can rip better, snare, aoe, and has a better root. Also has better nukes and lure nukes as well. With aoe snare they can safely pull groups of mobs too. Much better puller than a shaman.

Shamans are only needed in this group if torpor and cheal is needed. I’ve said this many times. No mob needs cheal and torp that is 4 mannable.

This is no contest, I’m sorry shamans don’t fit into every composition. Still a great class.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was another sad strawman attempt to flex shamans. If you all want to separate, there’s no group. You just all solo/duo and pay dials as needed.

The reality is even a wizard brings more than a shaman. Nobody wants a shaman being the main healer when you’re fighting non trivial mobs. The wizard with vp robe can out dps a shaman, it can port, it can rip better, snare, aoe, and has a better root. Also has better nukes and lure nukes as well. With aoe snare they can safely pull groups of mobs too. Much better puller than a shaman.

Shamans are only needed in this group if torpor and cheal is needed. I’ve said this many times. No mob needs cheal and torp that is 4 mannable.

This is no contest, I’m sorry shamans don’t fit into every composition. Still a great class.

I am not the one who suggested the farm crew Wizard group that separates for more loot. That was fortior. I agree it is a separate group type, and I said as much earlier. As per usual, you aren't really sure what we are talking about in this thread.

You can at least admit I proved you wrong with your strange ideas about solo videos vs. group videos. You can extrapolate group DPS from solo videos just fine.

It is time you show something besides words for your claims. You have provided nothing in this thread so far other than some weird obsession with downplaying Shamans for no apparent reason.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not the one who suggested the farm crew Wizard group that separates for more loot. That was fortior. I agree it is a separate group type, and I said as much earlier. As per usual, you aren't really sure what we are talking about in this thread.

You can at least admit I proved you wrong with your strange ideas about solo videos vs. group videos. You can extrapolate group DPS from solo videos just fine.

It is time you show something besides words for your claims. You have provided nothing in this thread so far other than some weird obsession with downplaying Shamans for no apparent reason.

You have a weird obsession with glorifying Shamans and downplaying Mages. Two can play at that game.

Well done for making a video that completely missed the point of what we were talking about.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody wants a shaman being the main healer when you’re fighting non trivial mobs.

Also on this point specifically you are just wrong. Shaman/Enchanter/Monk is a very strong trio, and has been suggested on this forum for years. It can take non trivial mobs just fine. I don't know why you keep making blanket statements with nothing to back it up. It's easy to find evidence that contradicts it by simply searching the forums. You are weakening your position when you do this.