Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is an example of root rotting DPS.

Why are you calling out root rotting? Are you saying root rotting doesn't matter?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you calling out root rotting? Are you saying root rotting doesn't matter?

No, I am saying all the quotes you provided were quotes of me talking about DPS in a root rotting scenario. That isn't me saying a Shaman is out DPSing a Mage on a single target situation.

When people claim that I am saying Shamans out DPS Mages, they never put it in the context of root rotting. This leads to the false assumption that I am saying Shamans out DPS Mages in a single target scenario.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I am saying all the quotes you provided were quotes of me talking about DPS in a root rotting scenario. That isn't me saying a Shaman is out DPSing a Mage on a single target situation.

5c. Fact: DSM claimed that a shaman could put out dps similar to a 60 focused water pet mage in a group.

You disputed this quote, but it's not about a single target situation, this is just about grouping. Do you still dispute this?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You disputed this quote, but it's not about a single target situation, this is just about grouping. Do you still dispute this?

When he says "grouping", he leaves it vague. He claims that you can never root rot in a group, so I doubt he is including that into his equation. If he wants to admit a Shaman can root rot in a group, that will change my assumption on what he means.

If a group is doing trivial mobs for XP and the Shaman is allowed to root/rot the whole time, the Shaman can give a Mage a run for their money DPS wise. In these kinds of scenarios you don't need a Cleric to be healing the Charmed pets. You are basically soloing in a group at that point.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When he says "grouping", he leaves it vague. He claims that you can never root rot in a group, so I doubt he is including that into his equation.

If a group is doing trivial mobs for XP and the Shaman is allowed to root/rot the whole time, the Shaman can give a Mage a run for their money DPS wise. In these kinds of scenarios you don't need a Cleric to be healing the Charmed pets. You are basically soloing in a group at that point.

Are you affirming this position then?

a shaman could put out dps similar to a 60 focused water pet mage in a group.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you affirming this position then?

In the specific case of a Shaman being allowed to Root/Rot while doing little else, yes.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The idea that I said Shamans will typically out-DPS Mages is a strawman, and thus not one of the points mentioned here. Mages will generally out-DPS a Shaman in single target scenarios and burst scenarios. Shamans can out-DPS Mages in root/rotting scenarios.

That is why I said this earlier. The problem is when people accuse me of saying "Shamans out-DPS Mages", they leave it vague, and it becomes a strawman argument. To someone who is just joining the thread, that puts the assumption in their mind I am talking about a single target scenario, or a burst DPS scenario.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the specific case of a Shaman being allowed to Root/Rot while doing little else, yes.

Can you think of any conceivable scenario where it would be beneficial to have the Shaman join the group only to "root/rot [mobs off to the side] while doing little else"?

Wouldn't the Shaman and the group each be better off if the Shaman were just soloing, in that case? Since the Shaman is providing no utility value to the group, and the group is doing nothing to increase the Shaman's kill speed?

Do you see how ridiculous this idea is now?