shaman duo

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for stat-buffing I would skip that completely, just slow the npc and let the mage keep their pet hasted with Burnout and DS.

Disagree. The difference between a pet with shaman str alone vs same pet without shaman str is quite large. Pets benefit hugely from pumping up str. It doesn't raise their max hit but it raises their average hit by a good margin.

Sham + mage combo is actually quite strong. Mage pets will take less damage than a lot of melee classes out there.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disagree. The difference between a pet with shaman str alone vs same pet without shaman str is quite large. Pets benefit hugely from pumping up str. It doesn't raise their max hit but it raises their average hit by a good margin.

Sham + mage combo is actually quite strong. Mage pets will take less damage than a lot of melee classes out there.

Do have any parsed information? Not trying to pull an evidence-request but just have always understood normal stat buffs do very little for npc dps. Hence why cripple in general is meh outside bored shamans during HoT raids.

I might carry a Frost Giant beard though with my mage and give it a whirl.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Part of a shamans role in a melee/shaman duo is cc. If I was duoing with a shaman and they didn't at least epic dot the rooted adds I would be very unimpressed.

Shaman being a potential high tier DPS completely falls apart when fighting things that summon. You absolutely do not want to DoT the adds. You want to root them and not touch them with damage until it's time to kill.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman being a potential high tier DPS completely falls apart when fighting things that summon. You absolutely do not want to DoT the adds. You want to root them and not touch them with damage until it's time to kill.

Yet DSM root rots low level trash in a dungeon and uses this as proof of Shaman DPS superiority over a Magician...

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman being a potential high tier DPS completely falls apart when fighting things that summon. You absolutely do not want to DoT the adds. You want to root them and not touch them with damage until it's time to kill.

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet DSM root rots low level trash in a dungeon and uses this as proof of Shaman DPS superiority over a Magician...

These two quotes show you do not really know what you are talking about to be honest. Please name a zone where you are going to be killing tons of summoning trash for XP or loot with a duo/small group. This question is even trickier if we assume the duo/small group isn't level 60 yet.

Generally speaking you are either clearing non-summoning trash for XP, or you are camping a specific mob for loot and not plowing through a lot of summoning mobs.

When a Shaman needs to do single target DPS on a named mob or summoning mob, they can stack DoTs and use their pet + JBB. JBB + EBolt + Hasted Pet is already 55 DPS or so. Stack Epic DoT and Bane on top of that and your DPS is 80+.

You really need to think about these situations a little more.

[Zuranthium]

LOL, you have no clue. There many loot/faction farm spots where summoning MOBs are prevalent. Kael is a common one and JBB is also doing 0 DPS there.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL, you have no clue. There many loot/faction farm spots where summoning MOBs are prevalent. Kael is a common one and JBB is also doing 0 DPS there.

Which mobs are the Shaman/X duo going to be fighting that summon in Kael? Especially before level 60? 4 way mobs don't summon, you can root rot them. Are you suggesting a duo is going to try Kael Arena?

Please name the "many spots" that you are talking about.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well im leaving early today, ill see this thread at 20+ pages on monday

good morning my beautiful elf spergs

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do have any parsed information? Not trying to pull an evidence-request but just have always understood normal stat buffs do very little for npc dps. Hence why cripple in general is meh outside bored shamans during HoT raids.

I might carry a Frost Giant beard though with my mage and give it a whirl.

Yes and no.

Yes: I have parsed long series of fights with and without str, str/focus stack and just plain old mage buffs on same pet same content. The difference was obvious and proportionally large to the degree of the buff. It won’t make them hit for higher dmg like players but it skews the average hit up fairly stoutly improving dps by widely parseable margins over time.

No: I have no idea which fights those were and where to dig them up. Also no, the difference was so big that I don’t care to repeat them hehe. Take or leave my experience without provision of hard proof. It makes a big difference. I always ask for str (and attack buff str of nature) whenever they are available from whatever source is highest.

Also pro tip: npcs benefit more from ac buffs than players. They have no hard/softcaps. If your pet is tanking, it’s worth grabbing them as they are available.

[Snaggles]

I can bum a str buff and kill Shady a few times to see if I can glean anything. Not gonna put anyone on blast, just interested