Shadow knight aggro

[Penish]

can anyone else tell DSM is unemployed? cause lol

[Toxigen]

i never once taunted on my paladin

hope this helps

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i never once taunted on my paladin

hope this helps

Like said it's nice to throw in when someone dies and ya picking the mob up, you are already going to be spamming to catch up, the prayer of +1 is worth the shot to save time and flip it to you. Otherwise no it's not needed. Knights don't lose aggro If they have it established. DSM just gonna DSM I feel bad for kittens.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like said it's nice to throw in when someone dies and ya picking the mob up, you are already going to be spamming to catch up, the prayer of +1 is worth the shot to save time and flip it to you. Otherwise no it's not needed. Knights don't lose aggro If they have it established. DSM just gonna DSM I feel bad for kittens.

There is no "DSM just gonna DSM". I simply pointed out that someone like Toxigen or Snaggles who never uses taunt would get more value from it if they put it on a macro they are already spamming. Something is better than nothing is pretty simple logic. For some reason people went crazy at the idea.

It is "trolls just gonna troll", since these threads always attract the same posters who troll. Including yourself.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=210
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...95&postcount=6
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https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=233
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...3&postcount=10

etc.

You are simply projecting your clear trolling behavior on to me.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no "DSM just gonna DSM". I simply pointed out that someone like Toxigen or Snaggles who never uses taunt would get more value from it if they put it on a macro they are already spamming. Something is better than nothing is pretty simple logic

What proof do you have they are spamming something else already? Knights don’t need to spam anything, nor does anyone. What you’re doing is suggesting knights consider spamming which now forces them to do potentially more APM for a suboptimal taunt vs less apm and a more optimal taunt. It’s nonsensical.

I’m sorry you lost this debate a lot time ago, but please stop with just calling people trolls who don’t see things the way you do, it’s not helping your case any.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think we can wrap this thread up. Good work everyone!

Well done! Always fun to see him squirm when he’s realized he’s outmatched.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What proof do you have they are spamming something else already? Knights don’t need to spam anything, nor does anyone. What you’re doing is suggesting knights consider spamming which now forces them to do potentially more APM for a suboptimal taunt vs less apm and a more optimal taunt. It’s nonsensical.

If you have Slam as a troll/ogre, you might as well spam it for a bit of extra DPS. Or Bash with a shield/epic if you are a small race. I never claimed that every Knight is doing that. I am not sure why you think that is a valid point. Some people do spam macros, you have no evidence to suggest that zero players do it. The benefit to spamming a skill is you use it as fast as possible, with minimum time between cooldowns. For me it also takes less effort and brainpower, so I don't mind. It's fine if you don't like to do it, everybody is different.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well done! Always fun to see him squirm when he’s realized he’s outmatched.

I am not sure why you think I am squirming. I have consistently rebutted all of the claims that spamming taunt is never useful. Conversely, you haven't disproven anything I have said. You have no evidence to suggest spamming taunt is worse than never using taunt, for example.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m sorry you lost this debate a lot time ago, but please stop with just calling people trolls who don’t see things the way you do, it’s not helping your case any.

I don't call people trolls because they disagree with me. You can't even find evidence that I have done this. I call people trolls when they troll. Do you disagree that these people are acting like trolls? That is the only way you can claim my accusations of troll have no merit. But if you try to make that claim, it is pretty obvious you are being disingenuous.

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're the only one I'm "harassing", you manipulative sociopath.

Originally Posted by Guesty07 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wahhhh everybody is a troll except me wahhhhhh

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM can only wish he was Sgt Seymour Skinner.
DSM Despises Skinner Memes.

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So just spam it and assume it doesn't work. Got it. Thanks for the 20+ pages. DSM wins again folks.

Originally Posted by Penish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

look at this dude, just unhinged on his 18th page, lawl

[skulldudes]

dsm do you actually go through the entire post history of every single person who engages with you to catalogue their, by your extensive definition, "troll posts" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by skulldudes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dsm do you actually go through the entire post history of every single person who engages with you to catalogue their, by your extensive definition, "troll posts"

The examples I gave in my previous post were from this thread. You don't need to look further for those posters.

My definition of trolling is just the basic definition of trolling. It is not custom or "extensive". Are you suggesting any of the quotes from my previous post https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=310 are not troll posts?

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clinging is however currently the same aggro as a shadow vortex or shroud of hate. (edit: Oh you mentioned stat taps. I've tested it. You get full aggro for "didn't take hold" and "immune to changes in runspeed" too.)

It's too bad about DC. There are patch notes (after our era) about slow first getting moved to disease, then slow having too much aggro and that aggro getting fixed. I assume that's where DC's aggro should be nerfed, and that it's a bug that it's nerfed on p99.

I'm basing this only on my own experience trying to rip aggro with ensnare in slot one using a GCD compared to flame lick. Often for general running around I'll have snare up and not flame lick. In one instance it took like 8 snares to peel a HoT mini on to my ranger once the warrior dropped.

I havent done much grouping with my SK on p99. On live Clinging was my workhorse and seemed to be ok. It's technically just not nearly the hit that an AC debuff is like Shadow Vortex. Even for a warrior that uses proc weapons limited to the "max threshold" the snare whip proc is rather low compared to say a Frostbringer. This is likely a case for people to just gauge as they go, I really doubt most sks can keep aggro primarily using Clinging off a geared rogue at 60. Good to have a few big spell taunts on the bar just incase you need them.

Snare/root component is pretty low aggro, the damage is basically threat if it lands. For some reason ac/attk taps or debuffs, slows, blinds, poison counters, if cast all get you to a pretty high level of hate. Formerly disease counters too. It's also why spells like druid swarm or necro/sk blood dots are low threat...they are basically the darkness line w/o the snare component.