Eliminate MQ

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your argument is that because there are pages where an MQ wasn't mentioned it means people didn't know about MQs

That's not what was said. If you were actually reading EQ forums during classic era, it's apparent most people didn't know about MQing, definitely not to the same degree as now. Even when some people knew about MQ in certain instances, they were scared of doing a quest wrong and losing their items. It wasn't known that MQ always works for every quest. Also, if MQing really was well known during classic, all kinds of no-drop MQ items would have been getting constantly advertised and sold. That was not the case.

Interested to see these links you keep talking about.

[Rimitto]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not what was said. If you were actually reading EQ forums during classic era, it's apparent most people didn't know about MQing, definitely not to the same degree as now. Even when some people knew about MQ in certain instances, they were scared of doing a quest wrong and losing their items. It wasn't known that MQ always works for every quest. Also, if MQing really was well known during classic, all kinds of no-drop MQ items would have been getting constantly advertised and sold. That was not the case.

Interested to see these links you keep talking about.

trexller and his secondary account don't have any actual information, they just mock information with inflammatory remarks. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are 100% correct though, the concept of MQ is not classic. Even if it existed, there simply were not the tools for the average person to know about it.
Even the forums at the time were for the "hardcore" players.
the forums were THE ONLY place where players met up outside the game. Discord, Twitter, Youtube, these didn't exist back then.
people basically met up to talk either inside Everquest or on the Forums.

It wasn't till the WoW era and teamspeak that people even started to do group-talk.

There simply was no method of conversation available for anyone to know that MQ was in the game or not.


To even further prove a point on this one.. most people didn't know of the popular quests we know of now. In that way, anyone claiming that you would "know what MQ is on your first bone turnin" assumes automatically that people knew there even was a bone turnin quest. There's an insurmountable difference between people doing turnin quests today, vs even knowing about them in 99. 1% maybe at best knew back then. I'm also assuming that the "extra messages" probably didn't exist in actual servers. This means that 1% of 1% probably knew of the various quests.

going even further than that, I'm sure that probably only 1% of 1% of the 1% probably even figured out that MQ was a thing.
We're talking maybe double digits at tops at this point. It would be a literal handful of people at best, if ANYONE knew about MQ back then.

compare that to now where hundreds to thousands are demanding it.. completely different society, completely different gameplay.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Rimitto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

trexller and his secondary account don't have any actual information, they just mock information with inflammatory remarks. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are 100% correct though, the concept of MQ is not classic. Even if it existed, there simply were not the tools for the average person to know about it.
Even the forums at the time were for the "hardcore" players.
the forums were THE ONLY place where players met up outside the game. Discord, Twitter, Youtube, these didn't exist back then.
people basically met up to talk either inside Everquest or on the Forums.

It wasn't till the WoW era and teamspeak that people even started to do group-talk.

There simply was no method of conversation available for anyone to know that MQ was in the game or not.


To even further prove a point on this one.. most people didn't know of the popular quests we know of now. In that way, anyone claiming that you would "know what MQ is on your first bone turnin" assumes automatically that people knew there even was a bone turnin quest. There's an insurmountable difference between people doing turnin quests today, vs even knowing about them in 99. 1% maybe at best knew back then. I'm also assuming that the "extra messages" probably didn't exist in actual servers. This means that 1% of 1% probably knew of the various quests.

going even further than that, I'm sure that probably only 1% of 1% of the 1% probably even figured out that MQ was a thing.
We're talking maybe double digits at tops at this point. It would be a literal handful of people at best, if ANYONE knew about MQ back then.

compare that to now where hundreds to thousands are demanding it.. completely different society, completely different gameplay.

The bot has been temporarily taken over by an actual human ... and (again, unlike CD288) they too clearly played in classic!

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by Rimitto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if it existed, there simply were not the tools for the average person to know about it.

Wtf do you mean "the tools to know about it" ?

The "tools to know about it" are:
Hey you. Fuckface. This is how you MQ shit.

That's it. That's all the tools.

And MQs still work up to Luclin, but Luclin got around them by creative means, and it wasn't until PoP when they actually patched them out.

To this day on Live, you can still MQ everything in Classic that you always could MQ, because someone CRACKED THE DA VINCI CODE, and said:
Hey. Fuckface. This is how you MQ shit.

I do agree that, even to this day, the whole mystique of the concept scares and confuses people. A buddy of mine on Live was doing one of the sub-quests for Mage epic and thought he had completely bungled it by handing in a wrong piece, and one of the right pieces for the quest, and I was just like "nah man, you have until basically a server reset or someone else has the hand-in pieces to fix this" and didn't have to re-do everything like he thought he did.

[Solist]

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wtf do you mean "the tools to know about it" ?

The "tools to know about it" are:
Hey you. Fuckface. This is how you MQ shit.

That's it. That's all the tools.

And MQs still work up to Luclin, but Luclin got around them by creative means, and it wasn't until PoP when they actually patched them out.

To this day on Live, you can still MQ everything in Classic that you always could MQ, because someone CRACKED THE DA VINCI CODE, and said:
Hey. Fuckface. This is how you MQ shit.

I do agree that, even to this day, the whole mystique of the concept scares and confuses people. A buddy of mine on Live was doing one of the sub-quests for Mage epic and thought he had completely bungled it by handing in a wrong piece, and one of the right pieces for the quest, and I was just like "nah man, you have until basically a server reset or someone else has the hand-in pieces to fix this" and didn't have to re-do everything like he thought he did.

Yep absolutely.

We MQ'd stuff all the time back then. Jboots most obviously (in early kunark era for sure, I can't recall doing so before then as I only played for a few weeks pre kunark). I absolutely mq'd my chardok ring from rogue to monk in the early luclin timeframe. We did a lot of armour mq's in velious.

As far as classic, genuine classic I can't be sure but beyond that it was fairly common and well known.

[Rimitto]

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wtf do you mean "the tools to know about it" ?

The "tools to know about it" are:
Hey you. Fuckface. This is how you MQ shit.

That's it. That's all the tools.

And MQs still work up to Luclin, but Luclin got around them by creative means, and it wasn't until PoP when they actually patched them out.

To this day on Live, you can still MQ everything in Classic that you always could MQ, because someone CRACKED THE DA VINCI CODE, and said:
Hey. Fuckface. This is how you MQ shit.

I do agree that, even to this day, the whole mystique of the concept scares and confuses people. A buddy of mine on Live was doing one of the sub-quests for Mage epic and thought he had completely bungled it by handing in a wrong piece, and one of the right pieces for the quest, and I was just like "nah man, you have until basically a server reset or someone else has the hand-in pieces to fix this" and didn't have to re-do everything like he thought he did.

It's amazing that you think the boomers and gen x were as forgiving and generous as the millennial generation running games now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Half the time they wouldn't even talk to people that didn't pose with L's on their foreheads. There was extreme class warfare back in the 90's where if you weren't part of the "in" crowd, you simply didn't have access to the information. Real Big Hording.

I like that you've ousted which side of the hording you were on with your statement that "everyone knew" though. Makes it real fukin simple to see how the rest of this pans out. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


Same Shit, Different Era, Eliminate MQ

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To this day on Live, you can still MQ everything in Classic that you always could MQ

No you can't, they changed it for specific quests.