Best Trio That Doesn't Use Enchanter

[Vear99]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very hard to make a case against NEC/SHM/MNK for best/most powerful, but I think Paladin/Bard/Druid would be fun, strong and versatile. Tons of mobility, easy pulls with lull/harmony, stacking damage shields, outrageous amounts of healing/regen. DPS is a little low, but you'd manage, especially if you prioritize Druid and Bard charms when possible.

Agreed. On the other side of the equation, I think Warrior/Cleric/Mage is very strong at 60 when well geared. When you have 6000 HP and 1500 AC, you just don't need slow, and damage shield/potions become extremely effective. Throw in Boots of Bladecalling and an epic pet and the Mage is bringing a lot of damage. Plus mod rods can at least numb the pain of losing clarity a little. They are kind of like a boxer with only one punch, but it's a good one.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you name any "challenging" content a level 60 Cleric unlocks for this trio that can't be done with with a 52 Cleric?

When duoing with an enchanter, a good cleric will always stun the charmed pet rather than healing the enchanter. Stun costs 35 mana and can prevent thousands of damage if the enchanter is getting interrupted - unless it gets resisted, and going from L52 to L60 dramatically decreases this chance. In addition, clerics get their first and only AE stun at L55, which is extremely convenient when the enchanter gets summoned. Also, a geared L60 cleric can probably sustain CH around 50% longer than a L52 pocket cleric, who is by definition poorly geared. Of course the more gear and skills his group mates have the more they can compensate for this, so you can quibble over the definition of unlocked, but clerics definitely enjoy a nice increase in power through the 50s.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Vear99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed. On the other side of the equation, I think Warrior/Cleric/Mage is very strong at 60 when well geared. When you have 6000 HP and 1500 AC, you just don't need slow, and damage shield/potions become extremely effective. Throw in Boots of Bladecalling and an epic pet and the Mage is bringing a lot of damage. Plus mod rods can at least numb the pain of losing clarity a little. They are kind of like a boxer with only one punch, but it's a good one.

lol wat

theres no way this trio out performs shaman / monk / necro at any stage of the game

even with a truncheon

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vear99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When duoing with an enchanter, a good cleric will always stun the charmed pet rather than healing the enchanter. Stun costs 35 mana and can prevent thousands of damage if the enchanter is getting interrupted - unless it gets resisted, and going from L52 to L60 dramatically decreases this chance. In addition, clerics get their first and only AE stun at L55, which is extremely convenient when the enchanter gets summoned. Also, a geared L60 cleric can probably sustain CH around 50% longer than a L52 pocket cleric, who is by definition poorly geared. Of course the more gear and skills his group mates have the more they can compensate for this, so you can quibble over the definition of unlocked, but clerics definitely enjoy a nice increase in power through the 50s.

Enchanters can surive charm breaks just fine without a Cleric and their stuns. A level 52 Cleric has enough mana to CH Chardok Royals. What content would this trio be doing that a 52 cleric couldn't do when compared to a 60 cleric. Nobody is answering the question. I can only assume they don't have an answer.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A level 52 Cleric has enough mana to CH Chardok Royals.

No. They. Don't.

As already talked about, and which you continually ignore, that was done (barely) with ENCHANTERS - the most powerful class in the game. Look at the title of the thread.

There are plenty of other encounters where the Cleric is going to be needed too. We don't have to list them for you. That's your own lack of experience if you don't know and it's pointless to talk about since you are not qualified to discuss it.

Originally Posted by Rimitto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cleric with ranger and bard has solid synergy, not only in the fact that it's protected by some good defensive and HP buffs, but also superior healing, as well as bard buffs to further reinforce the hardyness and dps of the party, as well as mana for cleric.

Definitely agree that Bard + Cleric is the necessary setup to beat the hardest encounters, but Monk is better than Ranger. Monk tanks better and does more DPS and has FD pulling.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best trio was literally settled in the OP by unanimous consensus

No it wasn't. Necro/Monk/Shaman is strong, probably the easiest trio, but not the absolute best.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. They. Don't.

Yes they do. Unless you are claiming PatChapp is lying. I've done CH duty on sub 60 pocket clerics too.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are plenty of other encounters where the Cleric is going to be needed too. We don't have to list them for you. That's your own lack of experience if you don't know and it's pointless to talk about since you are not qualified to discuss it.

In other words, you can't name the camps where a level 52 cleric couldn't do it, but a level 60 cleric could do it in the context of a trio. If you were "qualified", you'd be able to list them instead of dodging the question and attacking me instead.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes they do. Unless you are claiming PatChapp is lying. I've done CH duty on sub 60 pocket clerics too.

he said he did it, but also said it was dicey AF

and hes a very good enchanter

id be willing to bet he would agree that having a 60 cleric would increase rate of success by quite a bit

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

he said he did it, but also said it was dicey AF

and hes a very good enchanter

id be willing to bet he would agree that having a 60 cleric would increase rate of success by quite a bit

Sure. Nobody said a 60 Cleric is bad. At the end of the day a skilled group can do it with a sub 60 Cleric. That is why people make pocket Clerics. It's less time, effort, and money to main an Enchanter or Shaman, and then pocket a 52 Cleric.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes they do. Unless you are claiming PatChapp is lying.

You have a serious problem. Repeating for the 3rd time, THAT WAS WITH ENCHANTERS, and it barely worked. Does this thread allow Enchanters? NO.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In other words, you can't name the camps where a level 52 cleric couldn't do it, but a level 60 cleric could do it in the context of a trio. If you were "qualified", you'd be able to list them instead of dodging the question

There have already been others listed throughout the course of the discussions in the past week. You simply never listen. People who are qualified don't need to waste more time talking to riff raff like you, someone who can't even comprehend a simple discussion and makes ludicrous strawmans about completely different scenarios. People also don't necessarily want to give privileged info either.

Originally Posted by plzrelax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard and a couple wizards for leveling

I brought that up earlier, 2 Bard and a Wizard is best. Swarming being justly limited to 25 MOBs means there is benefit to doing 2 swarms simultaneously, and 2 Bard is wayyyyyyy better in general than 2 Wiz.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you rank above it?

Bard + Monk + Cleric/Shaman

Whatever the group is, it can't claim to be the overall best if it doesn't have a Bard. The universal charm ability and incredibly versatile toolkit, along with the fastest run speed in the game, is such a powerful package. In places where undead charms are available a Necro can outperform, but that's not everywhere, so Bard is better overall.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have a serious problem. Repeating for the 3rd time, THAT WAS WITH ENCHANTERS, and it barely worked. Does this thread allow Enchanters? NO.

I would love for you to name a camp this trio (without Enchanters) would be doing that a 52 Cleric couldn't do, but a 60 Cleric could do. My Chardok Royals example simply shows that higher end single group content can be done with pocket characters.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There have already been others listed throughout the course of the discussions in the past week. You simply never listen. People who are qualified don't need to waste more time talking to riff raff like you, someone who can't even comprehend a simple discussion and makes ludicrous strawmans about completely different scenarios. People also don't necessarily want to give privileged info either.

Please link the posts that mention these camps. Alternatively, summarize. You seem to be suggesting you read these posts that supposedly exist. It would take you less time to do that as opposed to dodging the question.

I am not sure how information that was supposedly already posted earlier this week is "priviledged". It's pretty tough to hide camp information these days too. P99 has been around for 14+ years at this point.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it wasn't. Necro/Monk/Shaman is strong, probably the easiest trio, but not the absolute best.

What do you rank above it?