Player Agreement: Rule Change at the DS Camp

[magicfest2]

Couple pieces of context:
1) It was not “GG” during the times OP marked as GG. It was at least two distinct groups of players including one group that is not exclusively GG members. We tried to explain this because OP continually treated us like the same group but we are not, in fact we’re in competition with each other. This was apparently totally beyond comprehension. I believe we also had another person do a solo challenge for the camp during this time from GG that was not acting as either group, so lumping GG together in the same way as some other guilds where it’s an official guild activity is not correct.
2) At least the group I’m in does not typically do much contesting for the camp unless one group of players has been monopolizing it for too long (we just stepped away for a while when Castle started doing it, and only recently have started contesting again), or someone has been acting poorly towards us first. In this case, OP was incredibly belligerent the entire time we saw him, contested us nonstop for days, and called in backup to help with his “solo artist” challenge. If OP weren’t one of the most abrasive people I’ve ever met at the camp, I think it is likely their experience would have been totally different.

So… that said, I’d be happy to see better rules and see them more consistently enforced, but IMO this post better belongs in R&F. The list system is better? Really? Lists are the most unhealthy and toxic system in the game, if anything that would make it even worse. Someone else suggested camping in the room if challenged and IMO that would be at least a slight improvement… Better clarity about challenges would also be good, because one person flopped afk is the current meta for it and there isn’t really a good way to prove a valid challenge. We’ve been challenged by a semi-afk 52 cleric too and have to clear carefully because otherwise some monks will appear out of nowhere and take over.

OP did you ever actually do it completely solo or did you end up counting the time your friends in Kingdom cleared everything for you and watched you do DS at the end?

[berbax]

Originally Posted by magicfest2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Couple pieces of context:

It was not “GG” during the times OP marked as GG. It was at least two distinct groups of players including one group that is not exclusively GG members. We tried to explain this because OP continually treated us like the same group but we are not, in fact we’re in competition with each other. This was apparently totally beyond comprehension. I believe we also had another person do a solo challenge for the camp during this time from GG that was not acting as either group, so lumping GG together in the same way as some other guilds where it’s an official guild activity is not correct.
At least the group I’m in does not typically do much contesting for the camp unless one group of players has been monopolizing it for too long (we just stepped away for a while when Castle started doing it, and only recently have started contesting again), or someone has been acting poorly towards us first. In this case, OP was incredibly belligerent the entire time we saw him, contested us nonstop for days, and called in backup to help with his “solo artist” challenge. If OP weren’t one of the most abrasive people I’ve ever met at the camp, I think it is likely their experience would have been totally different.
So… that said, I’d be happy to see better rules and see them more consistently enforced, but IMO this post better belongs in R&F. The list system is better? Really? Lists are the most unhealthy and toxic system in the game, if anything that would make it even worse. Someone else suggested camping in the room if challenged and IMO that would be at least a slight improvement… Better clarity about challenges would also be good, because one person flopped afk is the current meta for it and there isn’t really a good way to prove a valid challenge. We’ve been challenged by a semi-afk 52 cleric too and have to clear carefully because otherwise some monks will appear out of nowhere and take over.

OP did you ever actually do it completely solo or did you end up counting the time your friends in Kingdom cleared everything for you and watched you do DS at the end?

I appreciate the context you’ve provided, but I'm going to correct it.

First, I was not belligerent during my attempts at the DS camp. My interactions with your group were straightforward requests to clear the camp, which were met with hostility, including being called "scum" when you lost the camp. Some of my chat even appears in the video provided, I doubt any of it you'd find "abrasive". Personally I can't get behind the "we are in GG, but we are not GG" scenario between your 3 factions: The Syndicate, Big Urn, and Little Sinew. Just because you have internal competition with each other, doesn't mean the GG doesn't benefit from each of you obtaining the camp/urn and/or money from it.

Regarding the solo artist attempt, I did clear the camp solo for two hours, including Mort Prot. Eventually, The Drift assisted, and we cleared the camp together. I killed DS solo with the room cleared. While it may not meet your definition of a solo artist attempt, it's important to note that fully clearing the DS room solo is practically impossible in the current state of the game. I have additional videos demonstrating my solo efforts if you’re interested.

The goal here is to address the monopolization of the camp and ensure fair access for all players. I see you're willing to change the camp rules, I'm open to suggestions on top of my own.