Player Agreement: Rule Change at the DS Camp

[fortior]

Originally Posted by berbax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fortior, you’re very vocal on this topic, and I appreciate the engagement. The roll system for camps like Ring 8, scout, and shady/angry was implemented after player agreements due to the difficulties associated with spawn variance and tracking. If you have evidence supporting the claim that it was primarily due to cheating

From the 2017 scout player agreement forum thread (https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...php?t=282447):

"3) IN THE EVENT YOU CLICKFEST. You will be petitioned. You are breaking the playerwide agreement. The entire reason we're doing this is to keep it fair for the people showing up. Clickfest has been proven to be a shit show and I've heard it from a former GM that they are aware people can edit .ini files to insta-turn in. We will not be clickfesting anymore."

This is the umpteenth time you've just asserted something as truth while demanding proof yourself or dismissing any negative message as 'not speaking for the community'. Boiled down to the basics, this is a thread written by a solo enchanter who wants special rules for an expensive item camp because competing for it is too difficult.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From the 2017 scout player agreement forum thread (https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...php?t=282447):

"3) IN THE EVENT YOU CLICKFEST. You will be petitioned. You are breaking the playerwide agreement. The entire reason we're doing this is to keep it fair for the people showing up. Clickfest has been proven to be a shit show and I've heard it from a former GM that they are aware people can edit .ini files to insta-turn in. We will not be clickfesting anymore."

This is the umpteenth time you've just asserted something as truth while demanding proof yourself or dismissing any negative message as 'not speaking for the community'. Boiled down to the basics, this is a thread written by a solo enchanter who wants special rules for an expensive item camp because competing for it is too difficult.

Hi Fortior, welcome back, and thank you for that link. It appears it has nothing to do with the change for Angry, but for Scout. Although good to know why scout was changed, I'm not certain if that applies to Angry, and I see other articles and comments about the difficulty with the camp (note that Angry is also in the same quest chain as DS). Once again, thank you for your feedback.

I can't really make heads or tails of that last paragraph or what you're talking about, but thank you anyway.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the umpteenth time you've just asserted something as truth while demanding proof yourself or dismissing any negative message as 'not speaking for the community'. Boiled down to the basics, this is a thread written by a solo enchanter who wants special rules for an expensive item camp because competing for it is too difficult.

This, he doesnt want discussion he wants his way, even after several has told him they dont agree.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Boiled down to the basics, this is a thread written by a solo enchanter who wants special rules for an expensive item camp because competing for it is too difficult.

WHAT "competition"?? There is no fucking competition with p99 ruleset. Whoever is there simply owns the camp.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This, he doesnt want discussion he wants his way, even after several has told him they dont agree.

Hello again Ripqozko! Sorry you're once again vastly wrong, here's the list I'm maintaining currently:

Possible changes, unsure, or not roll:
Mewlio
Loramin
Fingurs
Magicfest
Servirus06 (URN)
Allishia (URN)
Ruien (URN)

No change:
FatMice
Ripqozko
Fortior
Enjchanter

Yes change:
Sajbert
Berbax
Digz
Swiftduke
Surkk
fullmetalcoxman
Hyjal
Galach
Zling

Maybes?:
Zuranthium (can't tell)
Redfern


P99 Discord Poll so far:
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Edit: Looks like just a couple of you are just very, very...very vocal.

[Ssouky]

Originally Posted by berbax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The core issue here isn’t vastly different from the DS camp situation. Specific groups are monopolizing DS, creating a bottleneck by permanently camping it and selling the item. This monopolization is similar to the unfair advantages that led to roll systems in other camps.

Riot monopolizing Vulak/Doze and creating a bottleneck towards my BiS Artist challenge by permanently organizing to kill it themselves is an unfair advantage that leads to... nothing ?

Do what you got to do to get what you want to get. Join them. I don't really agree with the URN system but at least they did something about the camp. They organized, they now have it. Perfect or not, they did something.

I don't understand why, because you can't have your thing because the game is scarce and doesn't comply with your wants (there is no NEED in EQ...), the system should be changed.

You would have been miserable during TMO time with no access to your epic. The good thing is you probably could have bought it with $$$...

[berbax]

Originally Posted by Ssouky [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Riot monopolizing Vulak/Doze and creating a bottleneck towards my BiS Artist challenge by permanently organizing to kill it themselves is an unfair advantage that leads to... nothing ?

Do what you got to do to get what you want to get. Join them. I don't really agree with the URN system but at least they did something about the camp. They organized, they now have it. Perfect or not, they did something.

I don't understand why, because you can't have your thing because the game is scarce and doesn't comply with your wants (there is no NEED in EQ...), the system should be changed.

You would have been miserable during TMO time with no access to your epic. The good thing is you probably could have bought it with $$$...

Thanks for you feedback, I'm trying to improve the community as a whole to have a fair shot at these things, not just for my own advantage (that's why I've been meticulously keeping track of it). Thank you again.

[Mewlio]

You're only interested in participation trophies.

[Toxigen]

socialism has never worked, ever

[berbax]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the real trick.

You don't actually need SWC or an urn.

You can beat the entire server and content without ever doing a benevolence wracked chord of the coldain frostreaver IV.

True! I agree with you. Although it would certainly help. Ancillary topic however, the point of the post if to put in a reform on the camp rules due to how it's being controlled.