Discussion: Loot and Scoot (LnS)

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What were the rules on each of the eqlive zek servers regarding this, and how did the community treat it.

Rallos Zek originally adhered strictly to PNP-style rules. By which I mean any of the following would be considered against the rules:

Training
Intentional XP Loss
Corpse Camping
Zone Line Camping
General Griefing

At one point, killing players that were trying to hide under the protection of guards was considered against the PNP as well, though it was quickly forgotten as being impractical to expect players to not attack from range the people hiding at guards.

These were mostly player-enforced rules, but the constant threat of being banned was usually enough of an incentive to keep people mostly in line. Being that you seem to be leaning away from a RZ-style of PVP server, coupled with the type of player that comprise the EQEmu PVP community at large, I somewhat doubt it will work to expect players to govern themselves like they used to.

[pasi]

No GM enforced rules on this. This kind of goes together with bind camping.

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rallos Zek originally adhered strictly to PNP-style rules. By which I mean any of the following would be considered against the rules:

Training
Intentional XP Loss
Corpse Camping
Zone Line Camping
General Griefing

At one point, killing players that were trying to hide under the protection of guards was considered against the PNP as well, though it was quickly forgotten as being impractical to expect players to not attack from range the people hiding at guards.

These were mostly player-enforced rules, but the constant threat of being banned was usually enough of an incentive to keep people mostly in line. Being that you seem to be leaning away from a RZ-style of PVP server, coupled with the type of player that comprise the EQEmu PVP community at large, I somewhat doubt it will work to expect players to govern themselves like they used to.

Are you serious? If these were actually the rules on Rallos, there was zero enforcement of them.

I played there 2 years, in 2000-2001.

Corpse camping and training was integral to the server. I have never heard once in 2 years on Rallos of someone talking about corpse camping, zone line camping or training being illegal. You would get spectres trains in Oasis each time you went there basically.

"General griefing" lol wtf is that, seriously that post is far removed from the experience you got playing on Rallos Zek. I got bind camped for half an hour and the thought of petitioning never entered my mind because thats how things were on Rallos.

After someone killed me for half an hour near Unrest, he msgs me and tells me "Ill stop killing you if you port me to Eastern Commons". Allrite i say. I port him in dreadlands at 2am in the morning in an empty zone.

THAT was Rallos Zek

[PlayervsDen]

Originally Posted by oldfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you serious? If these were actually the rules on Rallos, there was zero enforcement of them.

I played there 2 years, in 2000-2001.

Corpse camping and training was integral to the server. I have never heard once in 2 years on Rallos of someone talking about corpse camping, zone line camping or training being illegal. You would get spectres trains in Oasis each time you went there basically.

"General griefing" lol wtf is that, seriously that post is far removed from the experience you got playing on Rallos Zek. I got bind camped for half an hour and the thought of petitioning never entered my mind because thats how things were on Rallos.

After someone killed me for half an hour near Unrest, he msgs me and tells me "Ill stop killing you if you port me to Eastern Commons". Allrite i say. I port him in dreadlands at 2am in the morning in an empty zone.

THAT was Rallos Zek

Hell ya. this guy knows his shit. The only affiliation Rallos Zek had with the word Rules is the fact that they start with the same letter.

[Silikten]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What were the rules on each of the eqlive zek servers regarding this, and how did the community treat it.

Tallon Zek was mostly player enforced rules. GM's would step in and watch and if anything was suspicious they would step in. Training was not allowed, but GMs didn't police it so it was socially accepted as normal and players/guilds dealt with it. Unless it got too extreme...like taking shifts to CC someone :X.

That's pretty much it. GMs just dealt with game issues...lost items, quest items, etc.

[Silikten]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What were the rules on each of the eqlive zek servers regarding this, and how did the community treat it.

Loot and Scoot was a given for people who followed it. Everyone was allowed one strike when it came to it. If someone tried to attack after LnS, then they were pointed out by everyone and no longer allowed to LnS--at least for a while that is.

Sometimes in major raid zones the LnS rules were altered for training purposes. I think it was like 1 hour LnS for guild wars or something (might of just been on the nullbox). I think that is good though. Loss fair and square for a boss is legit imo and better luck next time.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What were the rules on each of the eqlive zek servers regarding this, and how did the community treat it.

there was no LnS rule written. i think the term LnS came after the zeks have been launched

[Silikten]

yeah, it was a player base rule ^_^

[Tonomar]

All i remember from TZ was pdm raping everyone and doing basically whatever they wanted. From previous boxes, I can say that letting guilds do as they pleased was definitely the best. Even though we all act like complete morons most of the time, I think civil rules can be laid out among the top couple.

[Jerin]

For the general population on TZ lvls 1-45, iirc Loot n scoot worked well.

I don't remember people being dicks about corpse retrieval that often,
unless the victim was being a dick and felt the need to whine/bitch/moan and talk shit.

Then you may have to kill a naked man