Swarming - No Fear/POG/Velks?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rounding up mobs in PoG/PoF for AE during a clear is not "swarm kiting". Hope this helps.

The new rule specifically prohibits any intent on killing zonewide pulls with AoE. The restrictions are not limited to bard damage.

You must have never killed CT or Tunare.

[Goregasmic]

They didn't outlaw AE when they could but limited the scope to prevent zone disruptions. They're not outlawing swarm kiting either.

They're not going to be monitoring who kites and who doesn't but if you get reported for pissing people off you'll get a paddling. If you're alone in a zone doing your thing, no one cares. You technically still can kite COM if it is nearly empty but if you get reported for being a dick you can't say you haven't being warned. There have been numerous posts about bards pissing off entire grouping zones with reckless/greedy swarm kites and it seems like this is what is being adressed here. I've seen a bard kite HS wings to zone in without warning and be mad at people being mad at him. Eventually he apologized but some people are more preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.

[Bardp1999]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They're not outlawing swarm kiting either.

This is exactly what they did?

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They didn't outlaw AE when they could but limited the scope to prevent zone disruptions. They're not outlawing swarm kiting either. They're not going to be monitoring who kites and who doesn't but if you get reported for pissing people off you'll get a paddling. If you're alone in a zone doing your thing, no one cares.

Old 12-14-2024, 04:28 PM
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Swarm Kiting in Dungeons
I do not like limiting how someone plays the game (unless it's exploitive in nature, of course). However, based on a high volume of situations, there is a need to revise how we classify swarm kiting in dungeon-type zones.

Historically, we have only responded to reports of zone disruptions as a result of swarm kiting reactively - if the player has already monopolized all of the mobs in a zone or if they have already trained other players. However, due to the high-risk play style, this has not been effective at stopping players from repeatedly causing major zone disruptions.

We will begin to proactively consider swarm kiting in dungeon-type zones a form of zone disruption, regardless of other players being present in the zone or not. In addition to monopolizing mobs and creating very high-risk situations for other players in the zone, it is also creating situations where players are passing on hunting in desired zones simple because they see a single player using this tactic, and recognize that the high-risk playstyle for one individual may very well get them and their groupmates killed.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly what they did?

Technically it isn't banned outright, but a large portion of the world has been taped off. It's unfortunate that offending players weren't suspended/banned instead. That would have felt more classic and wouldn't have punished those who do follow the PnP.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly what they did?

In dungeons. And probably much less tolerance for zone disruption in general.

They wanted to simplify their jobs by drawing a line in the sand. I find it hard to believe they'll trawl the logs to find offenders but they'll have no mercy at the first sign of dickery, that much is clear.

[Elizondo]

You shouldn't need an elf-law degree to be able to play here.

[Swish]

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[Ennewi]

FAQ's:
How do you define dungeon type zones?
Dungeon type zones are based on the overall geometry and play style of the zone. They are clarified in this post.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=370929

This list is provided to share how the staff typically categorizes each zone for camp purposes. This represents a summary ruling for each zone, and is overridden by any mobs with specific camp rules/rulings (for example, Lucan, VT, VD).
Additionally, the ability to cast Spirit of Wolf in a zone does not mean that it is classified as Open-World. Please refer to the classification lists below.

This is considered a supplemental resource. Please refer to section 2 of the Project 1999 Guidebook for camp rules.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=2651

Dungeon Type Zones are characterized as a zone which has very few open areas. These types of zones may include Sebilis, City of Mist, Unrest or High Keep (See section 2 above). For the most part you can claim what's Line of Sight (LOS)/Aggro Range. A couple exemptions to the LOS/Aggro range guideline may be Sebilis Spore King and Karnor Captain where camping within LOS/Aggro is just not practical.

For these types of zones camps are usually dictated by the geometry. You may absolutely hunt multiple camps if no one else is contesting them. Once another party shows up asking for one of your camps it is your decision which camp you wish to claim, then they can then have their choice.

By definition, how are Plane of Fear and Growth considered an Dungeon Type Zones? They are nothing if not open areas, even more so than The Overthere which is categorized as Open-World.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By definition, how are Plane of Fear and Growth considered an Dungeon Type Zones? They are nothing if not open areas, even more so than The Overthere which is categorized as Open-World.

GMs have conveniently provide a list of what they consider dungeons to remove any confusion or conjecture

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=370929