Do you believe in fatalism or free will?

[shovelquest]

I think it's more like a plinko machine. No free will, or determinism.

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[SorenVC]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's more like a plinko machine.

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I agree with you. But didn't you know that a plinko machine isn't random? I'm not an expert on this but I KNOW that you CAN NOT program a system of randomness. All programs and programming is bound by a system of laws, the binary system so we could say it is NOT random even though it looks like it is. Life is the same! Very good observation of yours.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by SorenVC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with you. But didn't you know that a plinko machine isn't random? I'm not an expert on this but I KNOW that you CAN NOT program a system of randomness.

I opened up a game magazine at a newsstand because my friend missed the bus, found out about EQ, and here I am:

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Originally Posted by SorenVC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All programs and programming is bound by a system of laws, the binary system so we could say it is NOT random even though it looks like it is. Life is the same! Very good observation of yours.

I suppose but maybe the universe isn't as complex as a punch card computer system?

[SorenVC]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I opened up a game magazine at a newsstand because my friend missed the bus, found out about EQ, and here I am:

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I suppose but maybe the universe isn't as complex as a punch card computer system?

I am 28 years old right now so I'm not a wise person. I've read some books for my lifetime more than average even though I didn't understand everything. I'm also a gamer so I suck at life. Gaming has always been my safe harbor. Somewhere I can relax and have a release valve. I've also been quite lonely in my life but I like it this way. Currently I only have 1 desire in my life but I feel like it can't be achieved. Fatalism gives me freedom from anxiety and worries. It makes me feel calm and secure.

That's why I don't like the idea of free will anymore. It seems like magic. But if fatalism is true it means that all who do not believe in it were fated to believe in free will. That's the beauty of fatalism. It is the only philosophy that practically says nothing. It doesn't force you to believe in anything and it doesn't try to change you. You can be a fatalist and a great helper of humanity! You can be a fatalist and a terrorist! You can be a fatalist and it doesn't show others your character. It is the true neutral and I think life itself also does not care if one tree or one animal dies. It is truly neutral.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Originally Posted by SorenVC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am 28 years old right now so I'm not a wise person. I've read some books for my lifetime more than average even though I didn't understand everything. I'm also a gamer so I suck at life. Gaming has always been my safe harbor. Somewhere I can relax and have a release valve. I've also been quite lonely in my life but I like it this way. Currently I only have 1 desire in my life but I feel like it can't be achieved. Fatalism gives me freedom from anxiety and worries. It makes me feel calm and secure.

Yes, but:

I've been let down too many times to think it was my own failure

- Is a bad recipe for personal growth, aka none. Growth requires the acknowledgement of failure

If I had to pick between using some mental existentialism trick to remove all negative feelings of an outcome

Or acknowledging those negative feelings and using them to create an opportunity for learning and personal growth, I would choose the latter every time


- Negative feelings are not inherently bad or evil. They serve an evolutionary purpose to steer us away from outcomes that are bad for us. Or another way to look at it is that they are steering us towards outcomes that are good for us

Sorry I can’t say it more succinctly or go into more detail atm, at work and didn’t get a lot of sleep last nite lol

[SorenVC]

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Yes, but:



- Is a bad recipe for personal growth, aka none. Growth requires the acknowledgement of failure

If I had to pick between using some mental existentialism trick to remove all negative feelings of an outcome

Or acknowledging those negative feelings and using them to create an opportunity for learning and personal growth, I would choose the latter every time


- Negative feelings are not inherently bad or evil. They serve an evolutionary purpose to steer us away from outcomes that are bad for us. Or another way to look at it is that they are steering us towards outcomes that are good for us

Sorry I can’t say it more succinctly or go into more detail atm, at work and didn’t get a lot of sleep last nite lol

What if I told you I can believe in fatalism fully a 100% and still go out running in the morning and working out at home. That's what I did since 1st March and I'll try continue to do it. In fact, belief in fatalism makes me calm and I always loved feeling calm because I am timid and nervous. If at all this fatalism makes me stronger! Fatalism does appear to make you pessimistic and lazy but the longer you believe in it, the less effect it has on you other than making you calm and dispassionate. And trust me, being dispassionate is much better than being passionate, because Satan is passionate and God is dispassionate.

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Originally Posted by SorenVC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if I told you I can believe in fatalism fully a 100% and still go out running in the morning and working out at home. That's what I did since 1st March and I'll try continue to do it. In fact, belief in fatalism makes me calm and I always loved feeling calm because I am timid and nervous. If at all this fatalism makes me stronger! Fatalism does appear to make you pessimistic and lazy but the longer you believe in it, the less effect it has on you other than making you calm and dispassionate. And trust me, being dispassionate is much better than being passionate, because Satan is passionate and God is dispassionate.

You LEARN next to nothing from your successes like a good workout. You grow physically and mentally healthier, your brain’s capacity to learn improves and I guess to a small degree you develop better kinesiology and mind-muscle connection. So you learn about that activity to a small degree

You learn loads from failures. Even from a workout perspective. You will learn much more about everything you want to know performance-wise, from trying to get a certain place or time in a race and failing. What was the weakest link? “Oh, my legs got tired at mile 3” “Oh I was sapped of energy completely halfway through”. Countless lessons about leg strength and meal prep (which is sort of unique for each person), for example, in that failure event

We learn and grow far more from failures than successes, or at least we have the capacity to grow far more. The growth itself depends on what takeaways you get from an experience

And learning what to takeaway from an experience, what label to slap on it as it is filed away in your memory banks, is far more useful than trying “to turn off passion” or some weird shit. We are not Vulcan lol