New Druid Advice from the experts

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Courier camp is rare enough to where it's probably better to just farm the plat. I wouldn't advise someone to farm Goblin R8nf unless they prefer farming their own items over efficiency.

Brilliant advice. Don't, you know, do that thing you were going to do anyway (ie. get experience), in a place that could give you an amazing item ...

... instead, get experience somewhere else, then when you're 45 go port a bunch of people around, until you eventually get enough plat to buy the item ... that you could have been using to get the past 25 levels faster.

Again, brilliant advice.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Brilliant advice. Don't, you know, do that thing you were going to do anyway (ie. get experience), in a place that could give you an amazing item ...

... instead, get experience somewhere else, then when you're 45 go port a bunch of people around, until you eventually get enough plat to buy the item ... that you could have been using to get the past 25 levels faster.

Again, brilliant advice.

Plenty of people farm plat while XPing instead of the items themselves, especially when the item is quite rare. You'll probably farm 5k killing guards for XP before you get a Ring drop. Typically speaking you can get at least 200pp an hour on guards. So 25 hours plat farming for a guaranteed 5k and XP vs probably at least 25 hours camping the ring, while maybe getting nothing.

I made tens of thousands of plat killing guards for XP between my Shaman and SK.

It's 100% fine if someone wants to camp Goblin Ring while they are leveling up to 25 or so. I am not sure where you read me saying it was a bad idea. That doesn't mean you are going to get a Goblin Ring though. You can read the forums and see people who camped the ring while leveling and didn't get it. If that happens to you you'll need to either farm the item without XP, or get plat from somewhere to buy the ring.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone else wanna tell DSM why no one's gonna be using Lumi Staff in SolB, Chardok, Perma bears, or Kedge?

Another prime example of Bcbrown not reading my posts lol. It's painfully obvious you aren't trying to have a conversation here. I saw your attempted gotcha there, and already replied to it:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the case of being indoors, you can use ES Arms instead. Remember you are getting the mob down to a few hundred HP before breaking charm. Even Drones of Doom will finish off a mob that low in a few ticks after a 300 damage nuke while you med up or prep the next kill.

Please stop spamming the thread for gotchas.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I completely agree, except for the part about "an invis ring that wont work until their 40’s". The ring works (and is amazing) as soon as you can viably charm fight ... which happens to be almost the same exact level that you can start farming it: the Sarnak Courier is level 14, and Druids get their first charm at ... level 14.

Of course, you won't want to start right at 14 (unless you can find a group in LOIO), and farming it will take a long time (likely many levels). But it seems perfectly fair to suggest that a low-level Druid go get some XP in LOIO ... and possibly pick up one of the only items that will meaningfully increase their leveling speed, in the process.

Im not talking about the one that works at level 5. Im talking about the ones he’s championing for some off-topic reason:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Ring_of_Stealthy_Travel

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im not talking about the one that works at level 5. Im talking about the ones he’s championing for some off-topic reason:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Ring_of_Stealthy_Travel

A good piece of equipment for druids in a discussion about druid equipment is off topic? Strange. I'll just post you agreeing with me in this very thread:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...0&postcount=57

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once a Stealthy ring works I think that could serve as a permanent replacement with a bit of space on a snared pet. Not having to re-target is another nice quality of life improvement. It’s good enough to keep equipped and having a click 2 sec invis can be a life saver.

Agreed!

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A good piece of equipment for druids in a discussion about druid equipment is off topic? Strange. I'll just post you agreeing with me in this very thread:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...0&postcount=57

Agreed!

Sorry, I meant for me. One of many in this thread who has a 60 Druid.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Courier camp is rare enough to where it's probably better to just farm the plat. I wouldn't advise someone to farm Goblin R8nf unless they prefer farming their own items over efficiency.

Goblin Ring is good. Nobody said otherwise. Ring of Stealthy Travel is better when you can use it. It is an upgrade when you can afford it, and you can sell Golbin Ring for at least half the cost of Ring of Stealthy Travel.

Yourself and the other posters have still provided no evidence for your claims instant cast invis provides a significant edge for charm breaks. You can keep reposting your opinion, but a better use of your time would be posting evidence.

My mage did that camp from like 12 to 24 and saw plenty of couriers but no ring. Seeing bloodstone rings in inventories gives me ptsd.

[Goregasmic]

The ring is still 6k on green. Depending on what his main is, might be faster to farm it. If you average the self reported data on the goblin ring page it's about an 8h camp with ~3% drop rate. In my experience this checks out but people hate that camp because it is very involved. OP can't AE the entire area but high 10s or early 20s he can just kill stuff until he gets a courier and then whack top mob on track every 30 sec until he finds spawn point (there's like 6+ of them). Or he could level to 40ish and come back to do the camp more comfortably if he still wishes to get a ring.

Real talk though, mid/high 40s you could charm in a couple of places but is there anything that beats quadding wyverns? The exp there is insane and the money is alright.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ring is still 6k on green. Depending on what his main is, might be faster to farm it. If you average the self reported data on the goblin ring page it's about an 8h camp with ~3% drop rate. In my experience this checks out but people hate that camp because it is very involved. OP can't AE the entire area but high 10s or early 20s he can just kill stuff until he gets a courier and then whack top mob on track every 30 sec until he finds spawn point (there's like 6+ of them). Or he could level to 40ish and come back to do the camp more comfortably if he still wishes to get a ring.

Real talk though, mid/high 40s you could charm in a couple of places but is there anything that beats quadding wyverns? The exp there is insane and the money is alright.

I’m of the mind that nothing beats exp. Being able to make/save money as you do it is nice but should never slow the process. You can make money and farm gear at 60.

If I had enough for a gobby ring and a few main spells that’s what I’d do at the expense of any other gear. I would charm in Oasis then move to Overthere for a bit, then Velious cougars in Iceclad and off to GD for Kodiaks and Drakkel wolves.

The advantage of quadding is not speed but quality of life. You can blow your whole mana bar and then sit and go make a sandwich. At 46 with a Lumi staff you can easily xp in Highkeep, Oggok, and Grobb off single targets. It seems like a silly click but level 45 I couldn’t clear all Grobb ent before repops and with it at 46 I was speeding through them and Nobles have even less hit points. Really, it just opens up places to go if your quad or charm spot is taken. Later this approach is replaced by dot rotting.

I don’t know about speed. My guess is if you have a lock on bear pits nothing comes close. Quading wyverns and then suits or raptors is tolerable for those AFK breaks. Dot rotting is a 3rd but lets you think outside the box. I did some charming in Chardok and it was ok I guess.

The fact that druids have three very viable ways to solo exp is crazy. For me, I’d probably rather dot rot or charm than quad. 57+ with bonds of Tunare maybe it’s less painful but snaring four times and circling would add time and annoyance. My wiz spoiled me I guess.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m of the mind that nothing beats exp. Being able to make/save money as you do it is nice but should never slow the process. You can make money and farm gear at 60.

If I had enough for a gobby ring and a few main spells that’s what I’d do at the expense of any other gear. I would charm in Oasis then move to Overthere for a bit, then Velious cougars in Iceclad and off to GD for Kodiaks and Drakkel wolves.

The advantage of quadding is not speed but quality of life. You can blow your whole mana bar and then sit and go make a sandwich. At 46 with a Lumi staff you can easily xp in Highkeep, Oggok, and Grobb off single targets. It seems like a silly click but level 45 I couldn’t clear all Grobb ent before repops and with it at 46 I was speeding through them and Nobles have even less hit points. Really, it just opens up places to go if your quad or charm spot is taken. Later this approach is replaced by dot rotting.

I don’t know about speed. My guess is if you have a lock on bear pits nothing comes close. Quading wyverns and then suits or raptors is tolerable for those AFK breaks. Dot rotting is a 3rd but lets you think outside the box. I did some charming in Chardok and it was ok I guess.

The fact that druids have three very viable ways to solo exp is crazy. For me, I’d probably rather dot rot or charm than quad. 57+ with bonds of Tunare maybe it’s less painful but snaring four times and circling would add time and annoyance. My wiz spoiled me I guess.

Straight up grinding gets boring sometimes so I like to take detours for extra QOL or gear upgrades. I guess on an alt you can literally afford to straight up grind but on a first toon it is nice to get some spare change and fill gear slots. If you can exp doing it, even better. If you have a 60 chanter farming felspine/chardok that's another story.

I brought up wyverns because I went there with my chanter and with regular charm double kills I went from 45 to 51 at record speed so I guess quadding is in the same league. Charming is good but if you have better opportunities why not? If you hate quadding then disregard that advice.

[loramin]

DSM:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's 100% fine if someone wants to camp Goblin Ring while they are leveling up to 25 or so. I am not sure where you read me saying it was a bad idea.

Also DSM:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's probably better to just farm the plat. I wouldn't advise someone to farm Goblin R8nf unless they prefer farming their own items over efficiency.