New Druid Advice from the experts

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Real talk though, mid/high 40s you could charm in a couple of places but is there anything that beats quadding wyverns? The exp there is insane and the money is alright.

Kedge! Kedge! Kedge! Kedge!

It's such a great zone. Underwater so you either gotta deal with casting EB every half hour or buy worn EB. 22 minute spawn timer so no single camp is worth staying at, you need to make like a shark and keep moving. Every hit interrupts casts unless you're in a corner, where only every fourth hit interrupts casts. There's mobs hidden in ceiling compartments so you need to be looking around in 3 dimensions, not just two. If you sit down a level 5 fish will aggro and prevent you from medding or swapping spells, and if you kill it it might proc a 500dd aoe.

When you inevitably die it's far enough off the beaten path to make getting a rez challenging. And when you do get a rez, you'll be sitting underwater unable to move and without any mana for EB. And on the CR, since EB takes fish scales, you first have to detour to the bank to get some money before going to EC and hitting up Katha Firespinner. And if you bind just outside the zoneline, any extended AFK risks accidentally de-leveling back down to 5.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I had enough for a gobby ring and a few main spells that’s what I’d do at the expense of any other gear. I would charm in Oasis then move to Overthere for a bit, then Velious cougars in Iceclad and off to GD for Kodiaks and Drakkel wolves.

The advantage of quadding is not speed but quality of life. You can blow your whole mana bar and then sit and go make a sandwich. At 46 with a Lumi staff you can easily xp in Highkeep, Oggok, and Grobb off single targets. It seems like a silly click but level 45 I couldn’t clear all Grobb ent before repops and with it at 46 I was speeding through them and Nobles have even less hit points. Really, it just opens up places to go if your quad or charm spot is taken. Later this approach is replaced by dot rotting.

I don’t know about speed. My guess is if you have a lock on bear pits nothing comes close. Quading wyverns and then suits or raptors is tolerable for those AFK breaks. Dot rotting is a 3rd but lets you think outside the box. I did some charming in Chardok and it was ok I guess.

I'm a little surprised by that charm path. OT/IC/GD over the CT gators? You just like the open space versus the cramped conditions with the gators? Single target Lumi kills in Oggok/Grobb sounds super painful to me but glad you liked it, maybe I'll give it a shot. Did you dot, or just root and lumi?

I thought charming in Chardok was great, didn't feel a need to leave for the bear pits. I liked that there's tons of farming enchanters coming through so you often get drive-by C2, and if you drop some regens and heals you can make a lot of friends with them and the necros. The loot is also decent, with a lot of the drops being zone-wide. I got a Stave of Shielding off entrance trash once, for example. I also found it a great spot to really perfect a lot of niche charming tactics, especially since you have to manage the mix of dogs and sarnaks. A simple example is using lull to keep a dog from aggroing while you root the adjacent sarnak before charming the dog. More complicated tactics would be rooting and snare-parking two sarnaks at the entrance, lull-splitting and snare-pulling one of two dogs further in, bringing it back to entrance, then gating to drop aggro before coming back in to charm. So now instead of having to root rot the two sarnaks and charming the dogs against each other you have two dogs on two sarnaks. Things began to green out at 59 but I was able to clear both entrance and exit wings and it still felt like it went pretty fast.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup. My incredibly simple argument ... that a 1+% chance of a free goblin ring is better than a 0% chance (while doing the exact same thing a Druid is already doing, ie. leveling) ... has nothing to do with this thread. Because DSM declares it.

I didn't say that your on topic arguments were off topic. Please stop making things up. Where do you read this stuff?

These posts are off topic, as you are simply trying to attack me and win points, rather than debate your on topic arguments:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone who doesn't agre with DSM is spamming the thread, got it.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fundamental problem with your posts is that you write nonsense like this to win points with the imaginary audience in your head ... and then fail miserably at communicating with the actual humans in the thread.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Got it: you recommend doing the thing you don't recommend doing.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM:
Also DSM:

If you had simply read my posts, we could have avoided multiple off topic posts and responses.

Stop attacking me and making stuff up. Stick to the topic at hand, and read people's posts before you reply. This is simple stuff.

To your specific argument, I disagree that a chance at an item is always better than plat farming instead. There are items in the game that do generally take longer to camp than to farm the plat for.

[kjs86z2]

cant beat the zem in CT

not doing gators is just shooting yourself in the foot

[loramin]

You don't see any connection between my posts do you? It's ironic, because your failure to understand what I wrote was the entire thing I was pointing out: you're so busy trying to score your imagined points, you literally fail to comprehend what other humans write.

I presented the "1+% chance of ring > 0% argument" several pages ago at this point. It's a very simple argument, but this was your response:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plenty of people farm plat while XPing instead of the items themselves, especially when the item is quite rare. You'll probably farm 5k killing guards for XP before you get a Ring drop. Typically speaking you can get at least 200pp an hour on guards. So 25 hours plat farming for a guaranteed 5k and XP vs probably at least 25 hours camping the ring, while maybe getting nothing.

I made tens of thousands of plat killing guards for XP between my Shaman and SK.

It's 100% fine if someone wants to camp Goblin Ring while they are leveling up to 25 or so. I am not sure where you read me saying it was a bad idea. That doesn't mean you are going to get a Goblin Ring though. You can read the forums and see people who camped the ring while leveling and didn't get it. If that happens to you you'll need to either farm the item without XP, or get plat from somewhere to buy the ring.

Again, you completely fail at basic human communication, don't address my point at all, and instead respond with a giant wall of text. BUT NO ONE IS FARMING PLAT FOR A GOBLIN RING AT LEVEL 20!!!

If you are a low-level Druid, you have two options: farm the ring and use it to level to 45 (when quadding starts eclipsing charming) ... or don't benefit from the ring for 25 levels or so of leveling. Those are your only options: waiting until you are 45, farming the plat for the ring, and then de-leveling yourself back to 20 is not an option!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You literally fail to comprehend what other humans write.

Again, you completely fail at basic human communication...

If you think this is basic human communication:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow, I haven't seen a "DSM says something completely wrong, with total confidence" hot take in a while [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Got it: you recommend doing the thing you don't recommend doing.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone who doesn't agre with DSM is spamming the thread, got it.

I disagree.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...don't address my point at all, and instead respond with a giant wall of text.

Thank you for admitting you are too lazy to read my posts, as you think two paragraphs directly addressing your point is a "wall of text" that didn't address your point.

You can keep acting delusional if you wish. People can read my posts and make their own judgements. I don't want to keep derailing this thread with your delusions.

I am sorry you are unable to accept that people disagree with your assessment that a chance at an item is always better than farming the plat for it. I've farmed plenty of items, and know that some items take longer to farm than it takes to farm the plat for it.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are a low-level Druid, you have two options: farm the ring and use it to level to 45 (when quadding starts eclipsing charming) ... or don't benefit from the ring for 25 levels or so of leveling. Those are your only options: waiting until you are 45, farming the plat for the ring, and then de-leveling yourself back to 20 is not an option!

There isn't only 2 options. This 42 druid is doing oggok guards 8 years ago:

https://youtu.be/iFPwL40IlYU?feature=shared

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a little surprised by that charm path. OT/IC/GD over the CT gators? You just like the open space versus the cramped conditions with the gators? Single target Lumi kills in Oggok/Grobb sounds super painful to me but glad you liked it, maybe I'll give it a shot. Did you dot, or just root and lumi?

I’ve done CT a bit too much. I liked the open environment. Either certainly works.

I’d just root, snare, and keep clicking the Lumi with ES arms to start. Put the guards down quickly without much mana.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve done CT a bit too much. I liked the open environment. Either certainly works.

I’d just root, snare, and keep clicking the Lumi with ES arms to start. Put the guards down quickly without much mana.

Yeah mana free damage clickies are great. If the wiki HP counts are correct, the Oggok Guards have around 1.8k HP. 2 ES Arm clicks + 12 lumi staff clicks should take care of a guard. So somewhere between 2-3 minutes per kill, with little to no mana spent. I'd assume the only mana spent is on maybe root and lull. If you're a Tuna Druid you could use https://wiki.project1999.com/Warden_Symbol_of_Tunare for root. Lumi Staff is probably breaking root a decent amount.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, you completely fail at basic human communication, don't address my point at all, and instead respond with a giant wall of text. BUT NO ONE IS FARMING PLAT FOR A GOBLIN RING AT LEVEL 20!!!

What do you think would be the path to farming pp for a ggr for a new druid, and by what level do you think it would be affordable? Which levels would be best for using this item?

Willowisps and gargoyle island may be part of that route?

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you think would be the path to farming pp for a ggr for a new druid, and by what level do you think it would be affordable? Which levels would be best for using this item?

Willowisps and gargoyle island may be part of that route?

Money highway I've seen:

?-12ish crushbone belts/bandit sashes
12-18 nybright sisters / wisps
22-28 OOT gargoyle eyes
25-35 dalnir brutes
28-35 sk gnolls/splitpaw lair
35+ CC geos, sol A maybe?

Most of those spots are still permacamped on green to this day and you only have room for 1-2 people so if you don't get there first you're SOL.

You can't really make money charming animals if you're also killing animals so if you wanted to charm most if not all those are no go. If you wanted to make money selling silks you could do EK crag spiders with a charmed hound (?) or RM bears 16-20 selling leather paddings and HQ pelts. Everfrost mammoths vendoring tusks maybe? 3 spots just off the top of my mind.

[Goregasmic]

Honestly though, since this is a starter druid thread; first 700pp or so I'd get a pair of moonstone rings, golden jaded bracelets, embroidered black cape/sleeves, platinum dragon totem, earring of woven bark and a chrysoberyl talisman or something along those lines. That should put you somewhere around +100hp +175mana, probably the most most bang for your bucks you'd get at that level.

If you have more budget you could get haste + decent starter weap, like SCHWs and jade mace for 1.2k and sell both easy by the time you're 20 or so and then fill out the other slots with +mana/hp gear that are not as low hanging fruits like a black sapphire earring and an AC bump with silver chitin gloves/shield.

And then I'd keep the rest for spells and clickies. At 40 or so, you'll start benefiting swapping some +mana for +wis so you can start doing that with +wis low hanging fruits and sail to 60 from there.