New Druid Advice from the experts

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is probably incorrect. Again, if Goblin Ring was that easy to get, it wouldn't be worth 5-6k in 2025 after 10+ years of farming. Everyone would have one for cheap. That's how the economy works. I'll trust the prices over a simple claim.

Most camp you can kill 2-3 mobs and afk 25 minutes while this one you have to find your PH and basically staple your eyelids open for 8 hours if you're not terribly unlucky. Most people don't enjoy that camp. I haven't seen all that many rings for sale in EC.

I crunched the table's average time to drop and it was about 8 hours if you remove the outliers, about 25 couriers.

Honestly for plat farming, most of the spots i mentionned are often taken. I showed up at nybright a dozen times early 2024 and I never got it. I guess gargoyles are the same, being in OOT I didn't bother. Dalnir brutes are forever taken, never seen them open and honestly you want to exp actively it is a shit camp.

I guess most people won't have that kind of money until their 40s. If you really want the ring there are 2 ways to do it that makes sense in my opinion as a druid.

1- Get to 40s and camp it.
2- Get to 40s and quad wyverns/guards until you got your 6k. I think that's probably more effective than going out of your way for pocket change.

I came back to EQ on a nostalgia field trip with p99 and i did the scenic route while leveling (tradeskills, shawl, lots of self found gear, epic parts, questing) but in the end loramin's right, all the money you can make on the way to 60 is mostly garbage until you're in your mid 50s or so. I probably made more money in frenzy in a week than I did 1-56. If you can make money while getting good exp that's cool but I wouldn't slack on exp for money.

Just my 2 cents from someone who wasted A LOT of time getting his main to 60.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most camp you can kill 2-3 mobs and afk 25 minutes while this one you have to find your PH and basically staple your eyelids open for 8 hours if you're not terribly unlucky. Most people don't enjoy that camp. I haven't seen all that many rings for sale in EC.

Peggi Cloak is also an annoying camp, yet plenty of people do it for cash. The price on Peggi Cloak makes sense too, as the item is No Drop, and the cycle was nerfed somewhat a few years ago. Supply can't build up on No Drop items, and a lot of classes want Peggi Cloak.

Forager cycle also requires more work, but plenty of Ceremonial Iksar Chestplates exist on the market. The price on that has gone down a lot too.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I crunched the table's average time to drop and it was about 8 hours if you remove the outliers, about 25 couriers.

Again I don't think that is the case based on the price data.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=157

The wiki is probably wrong. Price data is informed by the entire userbase, not a few wiki editors.

People don't seem to understand that plat farmers did every camp they could to death, especially on Blue before Green launched when the server pop was 1000+. That is why prices are so cheap now, because supply is high for most items. This is especially true for easy to get items.

A camp that is netting a 6k item every 8 hours on average would be permacamped, especially when any level 20+ caster can do it.

[bcbrown]

It's heavily camped on green, based on the time I've spent in zone. But that's irrelevant. Even if there's only a 1% chance of getting a ring it's still a great spot to level a druid for a couple levels.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's heavily camped on green, based on the time I've spent in zone.

If it's permacamped and the price hasn't changed, that means supply is low. It's a rare item, and thus you probably won't get it while leveling there. This supports my argument, so thank you.

Price data:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=157

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people knew of a camp where they could make 1000 plat per hour at level 40 or 500 plat per hour at level 20 with any caster class, it would be permacamped.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it's permacamped and the price hasn't changed, that means supply is low. It's a rare item, and thus you probably won't get it while leveling there. This supports my argument, so thank you.

It's really hard to follow your argument when you're simultaneously arguing that it not being permacamped supports your argument but also that it being permacamped supports your argument.

Either way it's irrelevant. It's a fun zone zone with animals to charm so it's a good suggestion and I thank Loramin for mentioning it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's really hard to follow your argument when you're simultaneously arguing that it not being permacamped supports your argument but also that it being permacamped supports your argument.

It's quite simple.

If you could get a 6k item every 8 hours using a mid to low level caster, plat farmers would have permacamped Goblin Ring and flooded the market with Goblin Rings (especially on blue before Green came out).

This would have caused the price on Goblin Ring to fall drastically. This is why we saw Silver Chitin Hand Wraps go from 4.6k to 300 plat. Frenzy was permacamped, and so many SCHW's dropped that it tanked the price.

If people are permacamping Goblin Ring anyway, and the price hasn't changed, that means the item is even rarer than you would expect. Regardless of how often the item is camped, supply remains low.

And just to make sure we are talking about Green Prices:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ht=Goblin+Ring

Goblin Ring sold for 6k in 2021. It's still 6k today on Green.

[bcbrown]

You're trying to argue something about the drop rate of the goblin ring, but the fact remains that it's a good early charm zone for a druid and there's at least some small chance of getting a ring.

It's a good suggestion for a charming druid.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're trying to argue something about the drop rate of the goblin ring, but the fact remains that it's a good early charm zone for a druid and there's at least some small chance of getting a ring.

It's a good suggestion for a charming druid.

I didn't say it was a bad suggestion. I am saying that Goblin Ring is rare, and you shouldn't expect to get one while leveling there.

Loramin makes it sound like you have a high probability of getting a Goblin Ring in your 20s, which is misleading. The price data shows that Goblin Ring has a rare enough drop rate to where the price hasn't changed on either server in years. Goblin Ring has been around 6k on Blue for like 9 years, while Fungi Tunic dropped 20-25k in the same timeframe.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=167

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=157

You took the path of XP + Plat in the level range from 12-24 as I suggested, and you ended up with a Lumi Staff at 46.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=143

Most people would call that a success. While you made some personal preference claim that being poor and charming is better, many people would prefer to have a Lumi Staff by 46 instead. The XP + Plat path is the one I suggest, and you took that path as well. Obviously my advise isn't that far fetched.

[Goregasmic]

The data is the self reported chart on the ring page. I feel it is more accurate than what you think it might be.

There's 2 mobs dropping SCHW in the same camp and it is the common drop from at least 1 of them and not even the main reason people do that camp, they rot all the time. Also it is a 22% haste item which is kind of unimpressive on a top heavy server. I gave a pair to all my alts and I sold a dozen of them when I did 56-58 there.

It is on a 32mins timer, a good chanter can kill all 4 named ph in like 5-10 mins and afk 20 mins. Goblin you have to kill 120 mobs per hour and you can't go take a piss without risking having to start over. I'm not sure why you're drawing any sort of parallels with both camp, I'd pick frenzy any day over gobby ring.

And it is more of a 40+ camp if you want to have any sort of efficiency doing it but it is possible much lower.

[rhold]

The camp is brutal solo. The 30 second spawn time means you have to constantly be attentive because the courier and all placeholders spawn already walking. If you are looking away from the game for 10 seconds after spawn, the mob could easily blend in to all the other wandering mobs. There is zero AFKing or you will have to go back through the process of finding and killing the PHer. Probably the biggest reason it's still 6K