Critical Fail Combines are Amazing

[Jimjam]

Maybe they wanted to let people suffer, maybe the guy who made the quest either didn't care or didn't remember about the no fail flag (or perhaps the flag wasn't flaggable for whatever reason). Certainly an interesting point upon which to muse.

[Goregasmic]

I failed the shawl 6th shawl 6 times between 163-168 tailoring. There's like a sub 1% probability of this happening. I did most of it during double drop rate christmas week so it wasn't too bad but still time consuming with how rare the siren hair and wolf whiskers are. I still need a swordfish tooth to finish 7th but I tried SG at 58 and it just wasn't gonna work.

I'm still mad AF at the whole tailoring thing, from 158 you basically have to craft 262 othmir fur caps or 335 wyvern masks unless you're a few select races... and you only have 5% chance to successfully combine until you're 200+. And most of the gear made is garbage anyway or there are much cheaper alternatives out there. I guess if you're one of the first 250 tailors early velious it may be worth it but at this point not so much.

If I'm ever guilded I'd still do spirit of grazicor for the ring because I apparently like suffering.

[Salaryman]

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I have the shawl

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[Cecily]

I knew you failed the Dragonborne Miyazaki just from the thread title.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm still mad AF at the whole tailoring thing, from 158 you basically have to craft 262 othmir fur caps or 335 wyvern masks unless you're a few select races... and you only have 5% chance to successfully combine until you're 200+.

Successes don't matter for skill-ups ... or at least they shouldn't (they didn't in classic, and there were massive threads on the EQ Traders forum which proved as much). They do matter for whether you get a piece of worthless gear, but who cares about the gear?

Now, I have heard from people who think successes do matter. I suspect they were just confused, but I guess it's possible if Nilbog coded skillups unclassically.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Successes don't matter for skill-ups ... or at least they shouldn't (they didn't in classic, and there were massive threads on the EQ Traders forum which proved as much). They do matter for whether you get a piece of worthless gear, but who cares about the gear?

Now, I have heard from people who think successes do matter. I suspect they were just confused, but I guess it's possible if Nilbog coded skillups unclassically.

It does according to the eqtraders calculator but it is current for live IIRC so maybe they modified that later in the timeline. If it doesn't that's probably where people get the misconception from.

Tailoring makes some good gear, even some pre-raid BIS but it was so poorly designed it isn't worth working on unless you're doing shawl or you're a completionist.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I failed the shawl 6th shawl 6 times between 163-168 tailoring. There's like a sub 1% probability of this happening. I did most of it during double drop rate christmas week so it wasn't too bad but still time consuming with how rare the siren hair and wolf whiskers are. I still need a swordfish tooth to finish 7th but I tried SG at 58 and it just wasn't gonna work.

I'm still mad AF at the whole tailoring thing, from 158 you basically have to craft 262 othmir fur caps or 335 wyvern masks unless you're a few select races... and you only have 5% chance to successfully combine until you're 200+. And most of the gear made is garbage anyway or there are much cheaper alternatives out there. I guess if you're one of the first 250 tailors early velious it may be worth it but at this point not so much.

If I'm ever guilded I'd still do spirit of grazicor for the ring because I apparently like suffering.

Yeah I tried to level up tailoring past 158, and didn't get any results after thousands of plat. Decided to just do Shawl 6 at 158. Did that on two characters, and I only failed Shawl 6 twice in total I think.

[Goregasmic]

Yeah I've heard a couple times about people spending over 100k to max tailoring. If you don't have cultural tailoring the cheapest way is probably a multi generational genocide of otters. Most other stuff requires a lot of velium tempers and expensive ench vials. If you can't farm otters you're stuck with wyvern hide masks.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It does according to the eqtraders calculator but it is current for live IIRC so maybe they modified that later in the timeline. If it doesn't that's probably where people get the misconception from.

That would make sense. Sadly, the original EQ Traders forums have been lost to time, as they're not on the Wayback Machine. I even emailed the "den mother" of EQ Traders, and she said she'd look and see if she had the old posts ... but then never wrote back, so I assume not even she has them.

Still, I'm 100% certain that tradeskill success (in classic) did not influence skillup success. This was something tradeskillers back then were very keen to know, so one tradeskiller finally did a series of tests, which proved that there was no connection.

At the time, this thread was "big news" among the classic tradeskilling community, so I remember it well, but now that it's lost it's probably the only "proof" that ever existed (because proving it required so much work that only a tradeskill addict on the tradeskill forum would conduct it).

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That would make sense. Sadly, the original EQ Traders forums have been lost to time, as they're not on the Wayback Machine. I even emailed the "den mother" of EQ Traders, and she said she'd look and see if she had the old posts ... but then never wrote back, so I assume not even she has them.

Still, I'm 100% certain that tradeskill success (in classic) did not influence skillup success. This was something tradeskillers back then were very keen to know, so one tradeskiller finally did a series of tests, which proved that there was no connection.

At the time, this thread was "big news" among the classic tradeskilling community, so I remember it well, but now that it's lost it's probably the only "proof" that ever existed (because proving it required so much work that only a tradeskill addict on the tradeskill forum would conduct it).

Do you remember what his testing looked like or not at all?

I guess you could add up how many failure/success you get and then check the skill ups proportions. I'm not sure all tradeskills are governed by the same formula though.