Halfling Warrior

[Makken]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP what do you mean when you say endgame?

It is a good question what I mean by "endgame." I guess I used that term in two senses. In my first post, what I really meant was will I eventually have to give up the character because they can't hang in the role of warrior meaningfully after a certain point. But I take the comments thus far to mean I won't--all races are viable even at the highest difficulty of content.

In my second post about stat allocation, I used endgame to refer to a point at which characters are maxing out all stats meaningful for their classes. Probably what I mean is with max-level priest buffs in a solid group / raid, will it matter if I spend five of my 25 starting points in STR. I again take the answer to be no.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Makken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is a good question what I mean by "endgame." I guess I used that term in two senses. In my first post, what I really meant was will I eventually have to give up the character because they can't hang in the role of warrior meaningfully after a certain point. But I take the comments thus far to mean I won't--all races are viable even at the highest difficulty of content.

In my second post about stat allocation, I used endgame to refer to a point at which characters are maxing out all stats meaningful for their classes. Probably what I mean is with max-level priest buffs in a solid group / raid, will it matter if I spend five of my 25 starting points in STR. I again take the answer to be no.

in the end game race matters less than at char creation / leveling untwinked

vulak was killed in kunark gear, its all fashionquest in 2025

[Botten]

Agreed.

With the age of this game and research...

Everything has been done before, especially in the beginning when choosing stats and race.

At this point play what is fun and fashion quest.

May I suggest Dex warrior sprinkled with a little wood elf action.
Min slash maxing doesn't really matter.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Makken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my second post about stat allocation, I used endgame to refer to a point at which characters are maxing out all stats meaningful for their classes. Probably what I mean is with max-level priest buffs in a solid group / raid, will it matter if I spend five of my 25 starting points in STR. I again take the answer to be no.

All races can be stat capped on STR and DEX easily with buffs. Avatar + FoS is around 160 STR and DEX. I think the lowest starting STR/DEX is 65 or 70, so any naked race with those buffs has at least 220 STR and DEX before gear. Velious melee gear will easily give you those last 35 points (or less if your race starts with more) in both.

STA only gets +50 from Riotous Health, so STA is generally the better stat to dump into for endgame. You can also get +20 STA from Primal Essence, a clickie buff Shamans get from Hammer of the Dragonborn. But that doesn't stack with Avatar. You usually don't see Warriors asking for Primal Essence. That being said, Velious gear tends to be generous with STA, so you will eventually cap that too if you go full BiS.

Putting points into CHA is the only stat you are guaranteed not to cap as a Warrior. So you can do that if you are worried. CHA is used for a spell called Divine Intervention, which gives you a chance to not die if you normally would based on your CHA.

[Makken]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Putting points into CHA is the only stat you are guaranteed not to cap as a Warrior. So you can do that if you are worried. CHA is used for a spell called Divine Intervention, which gives you a chance to not die if you normally would based on your CHA.

Thanks, DeathSilkyMist! I have not been worried about CHA or capping every stat. But that might be a product of my ignorance. I am particularly focused on STA (for taking hits) and STR (for hitting and holding aggro). And I guess maybe DEX and AGI to a lesser extent. But you raise a good point about the assumptions l am making about what is important.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Makken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks, DeathSilkyMist! I have not been worried about CHA or capping every stat. But that might be a product of my ignorance. I am particularly focused on STA (for taking hits) and STR (for hitting and holding aggro). And I guess maybe DEX and AGI to a lesser extent. But you raise a good point about the assumptions l am making about what is important.

From my understanding Str doesn’t help for aggro.

[Makken]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From my understanding Str doesn’t help for aggro.

Wait, wouldn’t STR help with aggro because it increases damage output? I am learning a lot today . . . What is the determining factor for aggro—taunt?

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by Makken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, wouldn’t STR help with aggro because it increases damage output? I am learning a lot today . . . What is the determining factor for aggro—taunt?

The damage you do actually doesn't matter for threat,white damage agro is equal per swing. Hit,miss,riposted back at you doesn't matter. All produce the same threat,it's something like weapon dmg +dmg bonus per swing

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The damage you do actually doesn't matter for threat,white damage agro is equal per swing. Hit,miss,riposted back at you doesn't matter. All produce the same threat,it's something like weapon dmg +dmg bonus per swing

Correct. EQEMU code says this too:

https://github.com/EQEmu/Server/blob...tack.cpp#L1733

// Hate Generation is on a per swing basis, regardless of a hit, miss, or block, its always the same.

When you exclude all of the out-of-era hate bonuses like bane damage, so far I only see base weapon damage + damage bonus for hate per swing.

Originally Posted by Makken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, wouldn’t STR help with aggro because it increases damage output? I am learning a lot today . . . What is the determining factor for aggro—taunt?

For Warriors, your most reliable form of generating agro is weapon swings + weapon procs.

Taunt is not guaranteed, and only puts you at the top of the agro list if you weren't there already. Not to say you should never use taunt. It's just not something you'd hinge a raid on. Consistency is key.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Makken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks, DeathSilkyMist! I have not been worried about CHA or capping every stat. But that might be a product of my ignorance. I am particularly focused on STA (for taking hits) and STR (for hitting and holding aggro). And I guess maybe DEX and AGI to a lesser extent. But you raise a good point about the assumptions l am making about what is important.

TLDR: if you are a min/maxer with the goal of full best in slot gear, dump points into CHA. Otherwise dump points into STA. Only put points into STR or DEX if you want a bit of help in the early/mid game, at the cost of not using those points in the endgame due to being stat capped. Don't put points into AGI*, WIS, or INT.

*There is an exception to AGI if you are a race that starts with less than 75 AGI, like Ogre. You get a penalty to AC if you have less than 75 AGI, so some people like putting 5 points into AGI on an Ogre so they don't have to rely on having a piece of AGI gear or a buff.