New Druid Advice from the experts

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah, so there are! So are you recommending that a druid start charming in the Warrens instead of EK or LoIO? What's the pitch? Seems cramped compared to the outdoor zones.

Warrens actully is an outdoor zone, believe it or not.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warrens actully is an outdoor zone, believe it or not.

I meant in terms of having enough space to be able to run away on charm breaks and recharm without getting hit. It's an important skill to be able to charm in cramped areas but I wouldn't recommend learning to charm that way.

EK's got a slighly more convenient zoneline, a friendly guard at the bridge, and plenty of space along the river without risk of adds. LoIO doesn't have the zoneline or the guards but it does have plenty of space.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warrens actully is an outdoor zone, believe it or not.

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[Jimjam]

The challenge of moving your bat or frenzied rat around the zone and finding spots for recovery seems quite fun to me. I appreciate that kinda play is better in small doses than in marathon XP grinds though.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

aren't there rats and bats in warrens at least?
?

I think mighty bear paw may count too. I'm sure I did him on a shaman long ago?

edit:

Yea so frenzied rat is like level 10, the big bats are like level 15, then there is a bit of a pause, with bear paw being 24 (conveniently the upper limit of befriend).

I got curious about this (for the Per-Level Guide), so I went looking ... but I couldn't find any posts, from any forum (here, Reddit, etc.) where a Druid actually reported charming either rats or bats in the Warrens. Heck, even the Per-Level guide only mentions the zone up to 10.

On paper it sounds like a great spot for a low-level Druid, but I wonder if it's actually practical at low levels, with no goblin ring.

If anyone out there has actually soloed it I'd love to hear a report. I almost want to level another Druid up just to test it myself ...

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You added a qualifier, "unless they prefer farming their own items over efficiency". 99+% of P99 players don't prefer farming their own items over efficiency (pretty much just the solo self-found folks).

That means you added a meaningless qualifier. It's like saying, "I hate black people ... except the ones with at least 25% white blood". With or without that qualifier, you're still a racist.

Likewise here, you've spent pages of this thread arguing against farming the ring. Adding one meaningless qualifier, that impacts <1% of the population, to just one quote of your's, doesn't change that core fact.

(It's also worth noting that you spent pages arguing against the ring's value, and clearly demonstrating that you didn't understand it, which no doubt led to your other false conclusion about it not being worth farming.)

If Loramin claims a modifier is meaningless, then there is no room for debate. The poster who wrote the post has no say. What a silly person Loramin is.

Sorry you can't read and have delusions that your way of interpretation is the only way. I can't fix that for you.

I wouldn't use racist examples in an attempt to prove delusional posts. It just makes you look more unhinged.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The challenge of moving your bat or frenzied rat around the zone and finding spots for recovery seems quite fun to me. I appreciate that kinda play is better in small doses than in marathon XP grinds though.

Yeah, I want to try it too. Maybe on my fourth druid - now that I have three, might as well complete the race choices. Since you typically kill your pet after each charm fight I'm curious if there's enough animals to sustain.

But in terms of learning to charm for the first time, I wouldn't recommend learning in a cramped zone. I learned in CT gator alley and it was miserable. If I had had a chance to get the timing and the tactics down in EK earlier I think it would have been much smoother.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If anyone out there has actually soloed it I'd love to hear a report. I almost want to level another Druid up just to test it myself ...

Ok that's it, I'm gonna test it out.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I got curious about this (for the Per-Level Guide), so I went looking ... but I couldn't find any posts, from any forum (here, Reddit, etc.) where a Druid actually reported charming either rats or bats in the Warrens. Heck, even the Per-Level guide only mentions the zone up to 10.

On paper it sounds like a great spot for a low-level Druid, but I wonder if it's actually practical at low levels, with no goblin ring.

If anyone out there has actually soloed it I'd love to hear a report. I almost want to level another Druid up just to test it myself ...

imo you'd be better off visiting loio and doing courier field. Especially if you fancy dabbling in cultural and you're playing a wood elf. You will earn many excellent tiger skins!

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Loramin claims a modifier is meaningless, then there is no room for debate. The poster who wrote the post has no say. What a silly person Loramin is.

Do you or do you not admit that 99% (roughly) of the player's population have nothing against buying gear?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you or do you not admit that 99% (roughly) of the player's population have nothing against buying gear?

You clearly didn't understand what I meant. Let me spell it out for you.

Often times farming plat is more efficient time-wise than farming the item itself. This is a basic fact of the game, especially now when the prices on everything are so low.

With that being said, people still enjoy farming their own items, even if it ends up taking more time.

I was saying if you prefer to take the less efficient route (farming the item), then going to LoIO is fine. It's not a "bad idea", it's generally just the less efficient idea.

With that being said, not all P99 players care about efficiency. That is up to OP to decide.

Honestly it's difficult to communicate with Loramin. If you try to explain your position in detail, he complains that you wrote "a wall of text", and then he just doesn't read it.

If you try to be concise with your speech to accomodate his desire to read as little as possible, he interprets it in the worst possible way. He then refuses to listen when you say, even though he read your post wrong. Once he gets an idea in his mind, it's hard to shake.