Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His only comment was on snare duration, so perhaps he stopped watching before the fight started.

There's something very wrong with your brain. How is commenting on snare lasting so long (aka, for an entire sit-and-heal session plus the entire time it took to kill the king) an indication that someone didn't watch something.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am willing to bet more people agree with the solo artist challenge ruleset than your ruleset. If you want to change that, build your own ruleset

"My" ruleset is already something the majority of people are doing, as that's the actual reality of playing the game solo for them. Which includes the popular solo self-found ruleset. When the typical player asks "what will I be able to do solo with X class when I start on this server", the relevant answer is what they can do without outside buffs and consumables. And plenty of people already approach the solo artist challenges in that way, you're just ignorant about it.

Originally Posted by Tewaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The funny part is he actually thinks there is a perfect MMO out there where most of his vast and well documented needs are fulfilled.

Clearly there isn't.

Weird shitpost from you, acting like it's strange that people want better game design.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's something very wrong with your brain. How is commenting on snare lasting so long (aka, for an entire sit-and-heal session plus the entire time it took to kill the king) an indication that someone didn't watch something.

Baseless character attacks again. You just look silly. You should have congratulated OP for the kill you were asking for, a kill without potions. You also kept talking about consumables after posting the video, when they were no longer relevant to the thread. Your lack of comment on the relevant parts of the video is strange.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"My" ruleset is already something the majority of people are doing, as that's the actual reality of playing the game solo for them. Which includes the popular solo self-found ruleset. When the typical player asks "what will I be able to do solo with X class when I start on this server", the relevant answer is what they can do without outside buffs and consumables. And plenty of people already approach the solo artist challenges in that way, you're just ignorant about it.

You still haven't shown any evidence that you have done any mob on the solo artist challenge list. OP and myself have shown video evidence.

The ignorance is from yourself, as you didn't seem to read the solo challenge artist page:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

The categories, in descending order of awesomeness:

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only

[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

[S*] -> Soloed without pull (or invis pulled)

[S*-] -> Soloed without pull and used strong item clickies

[D] -> Duoed

[D-] -> Duoed but used strong item clickies

[D*] -> Duoed without pull (or invis pulled)

[D*-] -> Duoed without pull and used strong item clickies

[T] -> Trioed

"Clickies"
Strong item clickies include Puppet Strings, Donal's Chestplate of Mourning, Manastone, SoulFire, Reaper of the Dead, Wooly Spider Silk Net, etc., but not shaman potions or stuff like a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring. Use your judgement, and remember: solo is solo for the purposes of ranks, no matter what you items you use. Pull help is meant to compensate for removal of invis pulls; it doesn't seem fair to penalize people who started on the challenge afterwards. Pull help is only available for Solo God/Duo GM ranks and up, mainly because many of those would be obviously impossible otherwise. Use common sense regarding the amount of help you can get from other players and still consider it a solo kill. In general the idea is that you could zone in and kill the mob on your own. Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage. Any kill, even the lowly S*-, will count towards a rank.

Your two complaints in this thread were about buffs and consumables, both of which are already covered in the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Please don't use this logic again, as it applies to yourself as well. There are people who disagree with your opinions on consumables.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah arbitrary, that's exactly your dialogue. You don't set the definitions of things, nor does that random wiki page. There are people who are interested in being able to solo without consumables, get that through your thick head.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ignorance is from yourself, as you didn't seem to read the solo challenge artist page:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

Keep in mind what it says on the very page you're telling others to read:

The original Solo Artist Challenge was started in this forum thread by Loraen

In other words, there's nothing magical or authoritative about the challenge: it was quite literally created by ordinary players, in this very same forum. I think the time they spent discussing it led to something valuable (which is why I made the wiki page) ... but, you also have to remember: that discussion started in 2012. It not only pre-dates Green ... it predates Velious!

If people want to follow the challenge's rules, I think it's awesome, because I created the page to encourage exactly that. But don't forget that the server has changed a lot since: we have multiple "self-found" guilds now, when there wasn't even a coordinated group of "solo self-founders" back in 2012.

If Zura (or anyone else) thinks there's a better solo standard, maybe they're right and maybe they're wrong ... but the existence of a thirteen-year old thread (copied into the wiki) doesn't invalidate their argument.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep in mind what it says on the very page you're telling others to read:



In other words, there's nothing magical or authoritative about the challenge: it was quite literally created by ordinary players, in this very same forum. I think the time they spent discussing it led to something valuable (which is why I made the wiki page) ... but, you also have to remember: that discussion started in 2012. It not only pre-dates Green ... it predates Velious!

If people want to follow the challenge's rules, I think it's awesome, because I created the page to encourage exactly that. But don't forget that the server has changed a lot since: we have multiple "self-found" guilds now, when there wasn't even a coordinated group of "solo self-founders" back in 2012.

If Zura (or anyone else) thinks there's a better solo standard, maybe they're right and maybe they're wrong ... but the existence of a thirteen-year old thread (copied into the wiki) doesn't invalidate their argument.

I am not sure where you saw me claim the solo artist challenge was "magical".

My point is indeed that the solo artist challenge was created and used by players. Players that disagree with Zuranthium's opinions.

I am countering Zuranthium's insistence that his opinions on consumables are the ones OP needs to follow.

I've told Zuranthium already that he should create his own ruleset and post some awesome videos of him doing his challenges to lead by example. He simply won't do it.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You still haven't shown any evidence that you have done any mob on the solo artist challenge list. OP and myself have shown video evidence.

LMAO, as if that's some kind of difficult thing. It's not at all.

You're clearly just perma butthurt that nobody cares about the paltry things you've done, so you feel the need to try and "protect" this thread, while projecting incorrect assumptions, as an extension of wanting to legitimatize yourself. You should stop interfering with discussions and work on your own insecurity. People are allowed to discuss to what degree something should count as "solo" or not. You are not the arbiter of anything.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ignorance is from yourself, as you didn't seem to read the solo challenge artist page:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

That page does not determine how people play the game, stop repeating yourself and get this through your head. There are many who try to do these challenges (and just play the game in general) without consumables and outside buffs, FACT, and plenty of videos of it out there. Pathetic how you sit there and willfully choose to be ignorant, in order to never budge from your wrong opinion that has been proven wrong over and over, and then try to call someone else ignorant.

And no, it's not an "attack" to call you ignorant. That's simply the fact of what is happening here, seeing as people absolutely do play EQ with just self-buffs and no consumables. Nothing you say will ever change that.

FURTHERMORE, stop acting like you're some benevolent angel and everyone who ever argues with you is a bully. You constantly respond to posts in a goading, misrepresentative way because you don't actually want a conversation, you just want to spam the superficial thoughts in your head. For example, on the very first page of this thread I was talking about how instant cast consumables are bad game design. You took it upon yourself to respond with a bunch of nonsense that totally failed to understand the subject, and then later in the thread claimed I only write such things because I want to denigrate solo art challenges. Unacceptable.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm proud of what I was able to do, and I just wanted to share something cool here.

It's good you shared it, and I was glad you were able to do it without the consumables. Maybe try with just self-buffs at some point. You'll need to get the clicky breastplate heal for that (and probably a couple other equip upgrades? Not sure exactly what you have). Like I was trying to discuss earlier, it will probably require luck of landing the ensnare proc right away.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

solo with self buffs only is not even remotely possible

It might be, someone can just run the numbers on the encounter. Everything in this game can already be determined if it will work or not, based on the DPS/mitigation your character is capable of over a certain period of time vs an NPC. If the math checks out, it will also give you an expected timeframe for how long you'll have to do the pull and land the snare, so you don't need to waste any further time on an attempt if the first part doesn't happen.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It might be, someone can just run the numbers on the encounter.

ooooo

Do we know anybody with a working DPS calculator?!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's good you shared it, and I was glad you were able to do it without the consumables.

You did the on-topic response! I appreciate it, I truly do. Next time I hope we can do this a few pages sooner.

Back on topic:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was glad you were able to do it without the consumables.

Yeah, it moved him from a B- on the new scale to a B.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, it moved him from a B- on the new scale to a B.

Samoht has not edited the wiki in good faith. It will be reverted later when he cools down. Please do not vandalize the wiki because you are mad. It is not fair the the author of the wiki page. Feel free to make your own ruleset and provide evidence for it's validity.

Back on topic:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, it moved him from a B- on the new scale to a B.

We don't need a new scale just for melee, they are already better for most things than a Cleric or Wizard, and class choice is inherent to soloing capability. But we do need a tier for no consumables and self-buff only.

I am going to add an S+ tier to accurately reflect that. You guys can stop the wiki edit war.