Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[Zuranthium]

DSM has posted the exact same thing 10 times in a row, while ignoring and obfuscating all relevant discussion, and tries to talk about spamming. Unreal.

Need to get a grip, and stop trying to link/re-edit an outdated wiki page. The page literally says the rules should be updated as needed. They haven't been updated for over a decade.

The rules as listed didn't make sense to begin with, since using healing potions is the exact same thing as using a "strong item" complete heal.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Need to get a grip, and stop trying to link/re-edit an outdated wiki page. The page literally says the rules should be updated as needed. They haven't been updated for over a decade.

The rules as listed didn't make sense to begin with, since using healing potions is the exact same thing as using a "strong item" complete heal.

You keep forcing your opinion of the rules on OP, while accusing other people of doing that:

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah arbitrary, that's exactly your dialogue. You don't set the definitions of things, nor does that random wiki page.

You can't have it both ways.

There is nothing wrong with OP disagreeing with your opinion on the rules and following the solo artist challenge page as-is. Plenty of players already do this.

Feel free to make your own wiki page and post some videos of yourself doing those challenges if you think you can do better.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep forcing your opinion of the rules on OP.

It's not "my opinion", IT'S A FACTUAL WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED.

That wiki page was not "the rules". It was an incomplete page that literally said it would need to evolve. How many times do you need to be told?

What the OP was doing never even fit into "the rules" list on that page to begin with! There was never any category for "no consumables", which is what he wanted to do. You are such a moron.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not "my opinion", IT'S A FACTUAL WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED.

That wiki page was not "the rules". It was an incomplete page that literally said it would need to evolve. How many times do you need to be told?

What the OP was doing never even fit into "the rules" list on that page to begin with! There was never any category for "no consumables", which is what he wanted to do. You are such a moron.

This is still just your opinion on how solo challenges should be played. I'd like to see the evidence for why you think your opinions are facts.

The solo challenge page explicitly mentions clickies like shaman potions and reapers.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only
[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

...

Strong item clickies include Puppet Strings, Donal's Chestplate of Mourning, Manastone, SoulFire, Reaper of the Dead, Wooly Spider Silk Net, etc., but not shaman potions or stuff like a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring.

The implication of [S] is self buffs only, without strong item clickies.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is still just your opinion on how solo challenges should be played.

There are many ways to play them. Hence the need for different categories. You seriously can't comprehend the most basic things being said.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hence the need for different categories.

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only

[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

[S*] -> Soloed without pull (or invis pulled)

[S*-] -> Soloed without pull and used strong item clickies

[B] -> Killed alone as a melee with raid buffs from other characters

[B-] -> Killed alone as a melee with raid buffs from other characters and also used strong item clickies

[B*] -> Killed alone as a melee with raid buffs from other characters without pull (or invis pulled)

[B*-] -> Killed alone as a melee with raid buffs from other characters without pull and also used strong item clickies

[D] -> Duoed

[D-] -> Duoed but used strong item clickies

[D*] -> Duoed without pull (or invis pulled)

[D*-] -> Duoed without pull and used strong item clickies

[T] -> Trioed

Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can no longer receive outside buffs since any disadvantages they previously had have gone away with Velious gear. Any kill, even the lowly S*-, will count towards a rank.

OP got an [S-]

I'm saying that because even though it says outside buffs are allowed for melee.. seems contradictory to say [S] is self buff only

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are many ways to play them. Hence the need for different categories. You seriously can't comprehend the most basic things being said.

What didn't I comprehend?

You made a claim that your opinion on solo challenges was a fact:

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not "my opinion", IT'S A FACTUAL WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED.

Yet you have supplied zero evidence for this claim.

Then you made a factually incorrect claim about the solo artist challenge page:

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the OP was doing never even fit into "the rules" list on that page to begin with! There was never any category for "no consumables", which is what he wanted to do. You are such a moron

From the solo artist challenge page:

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only
[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

...

Strong item clickies include Puppet Strings, Donal's Chestplate of Mourning, Manastone, SoulFire, Reaper of the Dead, Wooly Spider Silk Net, etc., but not shaman potions or stuff like a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring.

The implication of [S] is self buffs only, without strong item clickies. What were are calling "consumables" were mentioned in the rules.

The solo artist challenge page also allowed melee to have outside buffs.

melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage.

Samoht just removed that via his rage-edit today. OP would have been following the old page.

His video was 100% within the solo challenge artist rules as of a few hours ago, before the rage-edit.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The implication of [S] is self buffs only

And yet you spammed non-stop for the past hours: "this deserves the highest ranking of [S]", when he was using outside buffs the whole time, not just self buffs. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apologize if you're mature enough, and then stop the nonsense.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And yet you spammed non-stop for the past hours: "this deserves the highest ranking of [S]", when he was using outside buffs the whole time, not just self buffs. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apologize if you're mature enough, and then stop the nonsense.

Did you seriously not read the rules I just posted? Let me do it again:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only
[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

...

Strong item clickies include Puppet Strings, Donal's Chestplate of Mourning, Manastone, SoulFire, Reaper of the Dead, Wooly Spider Silk Net, etc., but not shaman potions or stuff like a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring.

melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage.

OP's third attempt didn't use a Reaper, and outside buffs were allowed. That is [S]. It would still be [S] if he didn't use outside buffs and used Wort Pots (Shaman Potions) instead, because Shaman potions are excluded from the "Strong Item Clickie" category. This means Wort Pots don't penalize your solo challenge.

Can you admit you were wrong now? You can disagree with the ruleset, but you can't claim OP didn't follow the solo artist challenge rules as written at the time.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you admit you were wrong now?

I wasn't wrong about anything. Whereas you keep talking about an outdated wiki page that doesn't determine how people play the game and had an incomplete tier listing. All while spamming that he suddenly "achieved S tier" by using no potions, when that was never a thing in the outdated rules to begin with.

You simultaneously keep whining that people are supposedly downplaying his no potions kill, while acting like an outdated wiki page is the word of god, when that page itself literally downplays said accomplishment.