Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Below is my argument from page one on this thread. It's still there and available for review:

You've let this go 60+ pages because you misread my first post?

Oh no, I'm well aware of your backwards ass logic that somehow equates having buffs to the same thing as having multiple characters fighting the mob. We all know what a disingenuous and just plain false argument this is.

What I was trying to confirm is if you are also saying that the fight cannot be done without raid buffs period, or just cant be done without raid buffs or consumables.

If you're trying to say it cannot be done without raid buffs period, then you would of course be incorrect. Of course it can be done without raid buffs if you supplement the kill with a ton of wort pots and a reaper to make up the lost HP and DPS.

If you're saying it can't be done without raid buffs or consumables, then you're absolutely right, and no one except Zuranthium has tried to claim otherwise. And we all know what a retard that guy is.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh no, I'm well aware of your backwards ass logic that somehow equates having buffs to the same thing as having multiple characters fighting the mob. We all know what a disingenuous and just plain false argument this is.

Yeah because receiving raid buffs from outside your group before your attempt is more similar to a PL than a solo. Nothing backwards about it.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah because receiving raid buffs from outside your group before your attempt is more similar to a PL than a solo. Nothing backwards about it.

This statement wreaks of pettiness and envy. So now, when confronted by basic logic, you have switched your stance to, "Uhh well its closer to a PL than a solo". Do you think that people don't get outside buffs when soloing? You're just lumping yourself in with the other retard in this thread, Zuranthium. Which, trust me, is not a good look.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This statement wreaks of pettiness and envy. So now, when confronted by basic logic, you have switched your stance to, "Uhh well its closer to a PL than a solo".

Switched, no, there was no switch. That was my argument all along. I included the quote above. This isn't a solo because it's a group effort. Buffing without being on the hate list is still buffing. It's no more solo than being PLed.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think that people don't get outside buffs when soloing?

Like I said, if you're doing this for XP, it is a PL. It couldn't be more clear.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're just lumping yourself in with the other retard in this thread, Zuranthium. Which, trust me, is not a good look.

It's hard to argue with that, but it could be worse. You could be trying to lump me in with DSM, but chose that one for yourself.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Switched, no, there was no switch. That was my argument all along. I included the quote above. This isn't a solo because it's a group effort. Buffing without being on the hate list is still buffing. It's no more solo than being PLed.



Like I said, if you're doing this for XP, it is a PL. It couldn't be more clear.



It's hard to argue with that, but it could be worse. You could be trying to lump me in with DSM, but chose that one for yourself.

You still haven't adressed the math.

This is OP's Magelo:

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.p...ntro=&section=

This is OP's video discussed in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

From OP's video, the fight was ~110 seconds long before Fungi King started running.

6500 damage / 110 seconds = ~59 DPS from Fungi King to OP.

This is OP's DPS parse:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...97546521145bb&

OP was doing 124 DPS.

Does everybody agree with these two DPS numbers? This is OP with VoG + Aego + FoS.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You still haven't adressed the math.

This is OP's Magelo:

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.p...ntro=&section=

This is OP's video discussed in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

From OP's video, the fight was ~110 seconds long before Fungi King started running.

6500 damage / 110 seconds = ~59 DPS from Fungi King to OP.

This is OP's DPS parse:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...97546521145bb&

Stryker85 was doing 124 DPS.

Does everybody agree with these two DPS numbers? This is OP with VoG + Aego + FoS.

Is there a way to fast forward through this bullshit and make you get to the point?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is there a way to fast forward through this bullshit and make you get to the point?

Alright. So you have no disagreement on the DPS numbers from the sound of it.

OP's Magelo:

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.p...ntro=&section=

OP's video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

OP's Parse:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...97546521145bb&

6500 damage / 110 seconds = ~59 DPS from Fungi King to OP.

OP has like 210 STR unbuffed roughly speaking. He is using what apprears to be a Silent Fang Choker (Flurry Neck) over Valtron's (Vulak Neck) in his video.

Monk Epic gives +20 ATK at the cost of 18% haste when compared to VoG. This means VoG + Aego + FoS was giving OP +45 STR and 18% Haste when looking at the DPS portion of the math.

At 0% Haste, OP's DPS would be halved. So 62 DPS. 62 × 0.81 = 50 DPS. Lets say the STR difference reduces DPS by another 4 DPS. 62 DPS + 50 DPS - 4 DPS = 108 DPS

This means OP would be doing 108 DPS without raid buffs.

18600 HP / 108 DPS = 172 seconds for the fight instead of 18500 HP / 124 DPS = 149 seconds.

Remember that OP was only getting hit for 110 seconds before Fungi King Started Running.

110 seconds / 149 seconds = 0.74 × 172 seconds = 126 seconds.

126 seconds - 110 Seconds = 16 Seconds.

The portion of the fight where OP was getting hit would have lasted 16 more seconds without raid buffs.

16 seconds x 60 DPS from Fungi King = 960 damage. We can round that up and say 4 Wort Pot Charges would be needed without raid buffs on the DPS side.

Going back to the HP portion of the raid buffs:

FoS + Aego gives 1505 HP. Wort Pots heal for 300. 1500 / 300 = 5. So we get 5 Wort Pot charges from the Max HP. Based on the video OP only used his max HP once, he was not healed to full. 25% of 1500 HP is 375, so that is another Wort Pot charge from 1x mend.

We have 6 Wort Pot Charges so far.

6 Wort Pot Charges from the extra HP + 4 Wort Pot Charges from the extra DPS = one 10 Dose Wort Pot to do the same video without VoG + Aego + FoS.

One 10 dose wort pot heals 3000 HP, and OP has 3700 HP without Aego + FoS. The 3000 HP is less than a reaper for OP.

OP can do this fight with a single 10 dose wort pot if he didn't have raid buffs.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Switched, no, there was no switch. That was my argument all along. I included the quote above. This isn't a solo because it's a group effort. Buffing without being on the hate list is still buffing. It's no more solo than being PLed.

Like I said, if you're doing this for XP, it is a PL. It couldn't be more clear.

It's hard to argue with that, but it could be worse. You could be trying to lump me in with DSM, but chose that one for yourself.

This argument is just plain false and extremely disingenuous. So let me get this straight: You think that someone buffing you, and then you proceed to go solo a camp or mob(s) is the same thing as being power leveled?? Clearly you have not been power leveled before. Buffing someone one time every few hours is not the same thing as power leveling them. You are literally the first person I've EVER heard try to claim that.

Power leveling involves keep the person healed, constant damage shields, and/or taking damage for them. Buffing someones with an HP buff or haste is not the same thing as power leveling them, if they are doing all of the fighting themselves. The fact that you are trying to argue against this just proves how petty you are. Please reconsider your flawed logic.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are literally the first person I've EVER heard try to claim that.

You haven't been reading this thread at all have you. There have been many posters with opinions on both sides. It is your argument that is disingenuous here:

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Power leveling involves keep the person healed, constant damage shields, and/or taking damage for them. Buffing someones with an HP buff or haste not the same thing as power leveling them, if they are doing all of the fighting themselves. The fact that you are trying to argue against this just proves how petty you are. Please reconsider your flawed logic.

It is not my logic that is flawed. You are focused so much on me arguing that it is like being power leveled that you're moving the goal posts. It is easy to prove that you're not being PLed. But it is not easy to prove that you could do this without outside buffs.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You haven't been reading this thread at all have you. There have been many posters with opinions on both sides. It is your argument that is disingenuous here:

It is not my logic that is flawed. You are focused so much on me arguing that it is like being power leveled that you're moving the goal posts. It is easy to prove that you're not being PLed. But it is not easy to prove that you could do this without outside buffs.

That might be even more stupid than your solo VS PL argument. You must not understand how this game works if you really think I can't solo it without raid buffs.

You do realize I can fight the king for 15+ minutes straight using consumables, right?? Do you honestly think I can't kill it in 15 minutes with drinking 40+ worts and a Reaper?? No one can be THAT stupid, surely you must be trolling...