Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's what you keep trying to tell yourself in order to ignore reason. It's what you always do.

The wiki was outdated and need to be updated. For over a decade people have said these exact same things. It's documented on the forums. There was simply no wiki page in existence for many years and most people didn't know or didn't care about the wiki page after it did get created. That initial page was simply a copy of one very old post. It was never reflective of the whole community.

Nothing you say will change the fact of how people solo and attempt challenges. Using no outside buffs and no consumables is a common thing, and has been widely appreciated in video comments of challenges.



That's completely irrelevant to the outcome of a fight. It's the same end result, the same cheat being applied to the challenge.

You're actually just showing how Aegolism can be even MORE of a cheat than getting a heal during the fight, since it can allow you to pull better and allows you to heal up past your normal max health, allowing for more tries at being able to complete the encounter.

Truly astounding how incapable you are of understanding basic mechanics and how deliriously you've spun yourself into the most Trumpian depths possible, wildly trying to refute and failing to understand simple facts that elementary school kids are capable of grasping.

Your backwards dumbass logic isn't working on anyone here. Sure, people have challenged themselves to kill certain mobs with only self buffs and limited consumables (no consumables was never even a thing until you created the S+ rank on the wiki), but guess what? That does NOT MEAN that completing a challenge with buffs disqualifies it from being considered a solo kill. Anyone with an IQ above 35 can comprehend that.

I even gave you an out to try to gain some ground in this argument without logging on, just by making a poll and asking the general EQ population. Funny, there's no mention of that in your posts since I brought it up. It's almost like you know you're full of shit, and you're just playing devil's advocate to satisfy your own delusions.

Until you either log in to prove LITERALLY ANY of the bullshit you say, or at least make a poll since you think your opinion is widely agreed upon, you're just pissing in the wind. Keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize you are the only one trying to limit the definition of solo to "no outside buffs no consumables", right?

Wrong. Tons of people have felt this way for decades. Plenty of people in this thread have said it. And it's the reality of soloing in EQ - those things simply aren't available all the time, even if your character has the best gear possible and infinite money. If you are camped out in some remote area to farm something and you log on one day and the zone is dead and nobody can come help, then you can only depend on yourself and what your character is able to do sustainably.

The majority of solo challenges have in fact been completed with no outside buffs or consumables, and it's why things like solo self-found exist. Because people are trying to give themselves an actual SOLO challenge and see how far they can push the capabilities of a single class without using Pay-2-Win items.

But of course, that's why there are different kinds of challenges. If you want to see how far a character can go while using Puppet Strings, then go do it. Just don't expect to be considered in the same category as other types of challenges.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That does NOT MEAN that completing a challenge with buffs disqualifies it from being considered a solo kill.

It disqualifies it from being an S+ kill for the purposes of solo challenges, seeing as there was factually outside assistance. There are many different tiers available for people to attempt.

Funny how you've completely ignored everything that was said about the math and mechanics. You know you're wrong and have no way to argue. So you just resort to Trumpian spamming in order to try and deflect, deflect, deflect. You don't care about the truth, nor trying to build something better, nor trying to accurately categorize what EQ players have done. You only care about your own ego.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong. Tons of people have felt this way for decades.

I've been on the forum and playing P99 since 2014. I haven't seen this massive amount of players who desire to narrowly define solo challenges as no buffs and no consumables only. You are the first person I've seen do this from what I can remember. I haven't seen people claim getting outside buffs counts as grouping either. Especially when those buffers are literally logged off.

I'd ask for evidence of your claims, but you won't provide any.

[Snaggles]

People can either barely beat difficult npcs using a set of advantages and detailing those transparently…or die and keep record of how much health they depleted of the mobs before that happened.

Which is more ideal?
“I killed it with A and B, but not C”
Or…
“I got %t to 32% before it killed me. Gonna go add myself to the solo kill sheet.”

This is horrendously stupid.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong. Tons of people have felt this way for decades. Plenty of people in this thread have said it. And it's the reality of soloing in EQ - those things simply aren't available all the time, even if your character has the best gear possible and infinite money. If you are camped out in some remote area to farm something and you log on one day and the zone is dead and nobody can come help, then you can only depend on yourself and what your character is able to do sustainably.

The majority of solo challenges have in fact been completed with no outside buffs or consumables, and it's why things like solo self-found exist. Because people are trying to give themselves an actual SOLO challenge and see how far they can push the capabilities of a single class without using Pay-2-Win items.

But of course, that's why there are different kinds of challenges. If you want to see how far a character can go while using Puppet Strings, then go do it. Just don't expect to be considered in the same category as other types of challenges.

This is just more flawed logic. Please explain why you think that just because those buffs aren't available ALL the time, that somehow means that all your achievements when those buffs ARE available are somehow null and void. Before you re-wrote the original version of the Solo Artist Challenge to suit your own narrative, it said (and will say again once we have it changed back) "In general the idea is that you could zone in and kill the mob on your own. Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage."

How convenient that you just happen to delete the main paragraph that completely refutes your idiotic claims, which was written by THE PERSON WHO CREATED THE WHOLE SOLO ARTIST CHALLENGE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Again, you just keep making yourself look like a fool, and a jealous little bitch for trying to change the rules to suit your own personal deranged agenda.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It disqualifies it from being an S+ kill for the purposes of solo challenges, seeing as there was factually outside assistance. There are many different tiers available for people to attempt.

Ohhh so now you're finally conceding that it WAS a solo kill after all, and having buffs doesn't somehow magically negate that, but it just doesn't live up to your made up "S+ rank" that didn't exist until a few days ago. Got it. I'm sure that's the best we're going to get out of you, so I'll just leave it there. Don't you worry though, S+ won't even exist soon enough, and that little paragraph you deleted will be reverted along with everything else you changed for your own agenda.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny how you've completely ignored everything that was said about the math and mechanics. You know you're wrong and have no way to argue. So you just resort to Trumpian spamming in order to try and deflect, deflect, deflect. You don't care about the truth, nor trying to build something better, nor trying to accurately categorize what EQ players have done. You only care about your own ego.

LOL sorry I'm not going to dignify your idiotic suggestions, like trying to proc a steal strength on the king, with a response or even 2 seconds of my time. Anyone here on these forums that's played this game at a high level can confirm how stupid this is.

The only person deflecting here is you. We're all still waiting for you to log on and show us ANYTHING, or make a poll and see what the general EQ population thinks. I won't hold my breath.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd ask for evidence of your claims, but you won't provide any.

It's already been provided, countless times. You refuse to listen.

The majority of solo challenges have been completed with no outside buffs and no consumables. There are hundreds of videos out there for people to watch, I've been cataloguing them, and that's not even counting solo self-found challenges. Several have already been linked in this thread.

It's a clear tier of its own, and plenty of people have said so ever since 2012 when the solo challenge concept came into existence. So ridiculous to even have to discuss this. People soloing with only self-buffs and no consumables is obviously a thing that happens daily and it's the most classic form of soloing in EQ, and a necessary one for anyone new to a server or on a server like Red that doesn't have item recharging.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ohhh so now you're finally conceding that it WAS a solo kill after all

No, it was NOT a solo kill. You used outside help. And you need to seek serious outside help IRL to remedy your total lack of reading comprehension and failure to understand basic math.

What you did is one specific mode of playing the game that falls within the "challenge" spectrum. In terms of the actual definition of the word "solo", it's not what you did. But again, the solo challenge page is not about a singular definition of the word solo. It's something that reflects the many different ways the game can be approached. The solo challenge page also includes Duos, and the Duos follow all the exact same rules about using outside help and consumables.

[Goregasmic]

You guys are basically fighting for how high the bar for soloing is. I think it boils down to needing separate solo categories.

Solo means with no outside help but you can't claim with a straight face you had no outside help if you're raid buffed for the attempt. You can't also claim getting haste/regen/maxhp/stats from buffs doesn't create a HUGE gap between that player and the one who does a "pure" solo (only self buffed) so putting both types of attempts on the same level is unfair.

But then you open the can of worms of if buffing is considered outside help, you could consider being raid geared to the gills outside help too so then it becomes a self found challenge by default. Raid gear guy unbuffed might have better stats than a non raid gear player with outside buffs so it all becomes hazy. Just giving aegolism to a caster nearly doubles their hp.

And then we could discuss puppet strings.

I think all kills are valid and impressive but it is disengenuous to try to default them to being all the same because they're absolutely not.

[Duik]

^
Sounds good Gorg. All single kills are good.

I liked your unbuffed N raid geared vs outside buffs and EC/ droppable geared comparison.

Stryker, well done buddy. I dont care what "tier" it ends up being. Great job.

Everyone else. Just stop.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it was NOT a solo kill. You used outside help. And you need to seek serious outside help IRL to remedy your total lack of reading comprehension and failure to understand basic math.

What you did is one specific mode of playing the game that falls within the "challenge" spectrum. In terms of the actual definition of the word "solo", it's not what you did. But again, the solo challenge page is not about a singular definition of the word solo. It's something that reflects the many different ways the game can be approached. The solo challenge page also includes Duos, and the Duos follow all the exact same rules about using outside help and consumables.

You are the only one gate keeping the definition of a "solo kill" under YOUR OWN standards. There's a reason the wiki had a whole section about what is and what is not allowed for outside buffs, and for which classes. Convenient that you deleted all of that to support your own argument. Anyone can claim anything is true if they're the ones editing the history books. Do I need to copy/paste it every time you post to remind everyone that all of this is your OWN AGENDA that you're trying to push, and goes against the very standards that the creator of the challenge set.
"In general the idea is that you could zone in and kill the mob on your own. Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage."

It doesn't get any more clear than that. Nothing you can ever say will change what the original standards for the challenge were. Funny how you only saw the need to change things after someone posts a video like this, but nooo you're not envious at all, right?

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are basically fighting for how high the bar for soloing is. I think it boils down to needing separate solo categories.

Needing a separate category for an unbuffed kill WITH no consumables would imply that it is possible to do under those conditions in the first place - News Flash: It's not. How about this, if you want to create a rank higher than what was previously listed, then how about you go out and prove that its possible under those conditions before you make up said rank.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But then you open the can of worms of if buffing is considered outside help, you could consider being raid geared to the gills outside help too so then it becomes a self found challenge by default. Raid gear guy unbuffed might have better stats than a non raid gear player with outside buffs so it all becomes hazy. Just giving aegolism to a caster nearly doubles their hp.

LOL OK - So let me get this straight, now raid gear is considered outside help too?? Jesus, the levels of copium here are insane.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think all kills are valid and impressive but it is disengenuous to try to default them to being all the same because they're absolutely not.

No one here is trying to "default them to being all the same" at all. We're just simply saying that adding a rank higher than what was previously considered the top echelon of the challenge should only be done after someone proves that it's even possible to do so in the first place. You can't sit there and claim "wElL yA, bUt YoU cOuLd'Ve DoNe It UnDeR hArDeR cOnDiTiOnS" if no one has ever shown that its even remotely possible to do under those conditions.

My no charge kill was done under the absolute hardest conditions that anyone has ever solo'd the king under. There's only been 2 people that have solo'd the king prior. One used multiple "strong clicky" charges like puppet strings, slowstone amber, etc. The other used multiple characters for the kill (a druid for the pull, and then a chanter for the kill). Trying to claim that the person who did it self buffed using multiple characters is the same thing as someone doing it solo with one toon is whats disingenuous here.

If you want to create an S+ rank, then login and show us that its possible before you try to theorize your bullshit from the sidelines.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are basically fighting for how high the bar for soloing is. I think it boils down to needing separate solo categories.

Solo means with no outside help but you can't claim with a straight face you had no outside help if you're raid buffed for the attempt. You can't also claim getting haste/regen/maxhp/stats from buffs doesn't create a HUGE gap between that player and the one who does a "pure" solo (only self buffed) so putting both types of attempts on the same level is unfair.

But then you open the can of worms of if buffing is considered outside help, you could consider being raid geared to the gills outside help too so then it becomes a self found challenge by default. Raid gear guy unbuffed might have better stats than a non raid gear player with outside buffs so it all becomes hazy. Just giving aegolism to a caster nearly doubles their hp.

And then we could discuss puppet strings.

I think all kills are valid and impressive but it is disengenuous to try to default them to being all the same because they're absolutely not.

Yes, there were already categories (ranks) on the solo challenge page. Zuranthium is the only one trying to claim there are no solo categories other than no outside buffs and no comsumables. He keeps insisting everybody wants it this way too. He seems to think you aren't solo if you click one charge of a wort pot.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's already been provided, countless times. You refuse to listen.

It has not. If it has, please repost it. Like Samoht, your strategy is to lie that you posted evidence when you didn't over and over. You hope people just believe you. It doesn't work like that. People can read the thread.