Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh, this guy is definitely not emotionally manipulative and toxic.

Way to just give up the debate and just shit your pants to make a point.

Garbage in, garbage out

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The community already said they want more tiers (stop trying to falsely say it's "me and Samoht") and there is no point in having tons of different pages.

I agree on the pages, but not the tiers. I truly don't think there's anyone out there thinking "man I like soloing, and I really hope five strangers in the forum will judge my work and tell me whether it's a high tier or not?"

I think what normal soloers want is a way to describe their solo fairly. It sucks if someone says "I soloed X" when they did it with 50 potions, and you did it with zero potions.

But at the same time, I don't think anyone wants to count the number of potions used and do advanced calculus to get a soloing score either.

What I think people want from that page is a list of mobs, organized into universally recognized tiers of difficulty (if possible), and a set of options (eg. with puppet strings, with outside buffs, etc.) to qualify their solo. That way two soloers can solo the same mob, and have a common language to describe how they did it.

(And, of course, people can still try to solo things without "modifiers" for more impressive solos. I'm not trying to discourage that ... I just don't think the wiki should take the role of judging whether a solo was a solo, or how good of a solo it is, unless everyone can agree on the standards.)

[shovelquest]

Hmm to counter your point, when did you stop beating your wife Loramin?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You claim that the solo artist challenge page isn't official, and that it isn't your place to decide what's best for the wiki, while strongly claiming that we should keep the solo artist challenge as one page. Wouldn't that make it "official" then?

As official as anything in the wiki that multiple editors worked on ... which is to say, still not "official", but useful to many/most readers.

[shovelquest]

Hmm incorrect loramin, when did you stop having sex with little kids?

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think what normal soloers want is a way to describe their solo fairly. It sucks if someone says "I soloed X" when they did it with 50 potions, and you did it with zero potions.

Well yeah that's exactly why the tiers are there, and why there were already tier breaks to begin with. It's just that the initial tier breaks were contradictory and needed to be expanded more accurately to not be contradictory anymore.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh, this guy is definitely not emotionally manipulative and toxic.

Way to just give up the debate and just shit your pants.

The next step on your path is spamming porn gifs.

You must not be aware of that famous question ("when did you stop beating your wife?"). Google it, and then consider whether it's the same basic question as the one you asked me.

[loramin]

BTW, 10k posts ... in this thread ... ugh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree on the pages, but not the tiers. I truly don't think there's anyone out there thinking "man I like soloing, and I really hope five strangers in the forum will judge my work and tell me whether it's a high tier or not?"

I think what normal soloers want is a way to describe their solo fairly. It sucks if someone says "I soloed X" when they did it with 50 potions, and you did it with zero potions.

But at the same time, I don't think anyone wants to count the number of potions used and do advanced calculus to get a soloing score either.

What I think people want from that page is a list of mobs, organized into universally recognized tiers of difficulty (if possible), and a set of options (eg. with puppet strings, with outside buffs, etc.) to qualify their solo. That way two soloers can solo the same mob, and have a common language to describe how they did it.

(And, of course, people can still try to solo things without "modifiers" for more impressive solos. I'm not trying to discourage that ... I just don't think the wiki should take the role of judging whether a solo was a solo, or how good of a solo it is, unless everyone can agree on the standards.)

Why are you refusing to even entertain the idea of multiple solo challenge pages? People write their own guides all the time. I have one in my signature. I did not go into the official ogre or shaman wiki pages and force my changes in there. I made my own page and promoted it.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well yeah that's exactly why the tiers are there, and why there were already tier breaks to begin with. It's just that the initial tier breaks were contradictory and needed to be expanded more accurately to not be contradictory anymore.

Again, I don't think tiers are bad, but I think tiers in the wiki that not everyone agrees on are bad.

If someone can build consensus for tiers (in the forum, in the wiki itself, in a wiki talk page ... wherever), then a universally-agreed upon set of tiers would be valuable.

But if there's no consensus, it's just a bunch of nerds with differing opinions, and those opinions don't belong in the wiki.