Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[Snaggles]

Fact is Aego is pretty easy to count with wort clicks, as is Focus, etc (ps: it’s not many). A raid buffed mend vs unbuffed one is can be figured out with a calculator.

Stuff like a Slowstone Amber or puppet strings are WAY more difficult to count in wort clicks. None of which Sscalez used.

Until another melee puts down the king in a similar fashion or unbuffed with a few worts this thread is over. Presuming you believe in logic.

[Goregasmic]

Best solution would probably be not to "hard grade" kill quality and basically go "solo buffs only" for all kills since it is the easiest frame of reference and if you stepped out of that, just specify what you used. The goal is not to diminish people's achievements but to have a frame of reference for further attempts.

If a necro manages to solo.... trakanon but raid buffed, doesn't make it any less of a fucking crazy kill, just disclose how it went down. For melees, even gear setup and/or overall stats could be interesting to disclose if you're killing stuff at the limit of what is possible so people can have a general idea of what was going on at the time.

[Duik]

If i could kill a boss like this (I cant) based on this shitshow I'd just not even fucking mention it.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best solution would probably be not to "hard grade" kill quality and basically go "solo buffs only" for all kills since it is the easiest frame of reference and if you stepped out of that, just specify what you used. The goal is not to diminish people's achievements but to have a frame of reference for further attempts.

If a necro manages to solo.... trakanon but raid buffed, doesn't make it any less of a fucking crazy kill, just disclose how it went down. For melees, even gear setup and/or overall stats could be interesting to disclose if you're killing stuff at the limit of what is possible so people can have a general idea of what was going on at the time.

I agree with this, so much. The point of the original solo artist challenge was to have fun and encourage people to solo challenging targets ... not to have a bunch of forum nerds pick apart attempts, making people feel:

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If i could kill a boss like this (I cant) based on this shitshow I'd just not even fucking mention it.

I do still think having "rankings" would be nice, but A) no one can agree on what exactly those ranks should be, and B) if we're being honest, rankings need to depend on class (an Enchanter soloing something is not the same thing as a Shadow Knight soloing that same mob).

Like I said, I really would like to see a good ranking system (ie. one that addresses classes, and that everyone agrees on) ... but until one exists, I don't see how people imposing their rankings on others make things better.

[Snaggles]

IMHO the OP should consider putting together a melee solo challenge page or post (since it can’t be edited). Most people aren’t using “strong clickies” these days as they don’t acknowledge those as real kills.

If you detail what went into the kill people who aren’t idiots will respect it.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with this, so much. The point of the original solo artist challenge was to have fun and encourage people to solo challenging targets ... not to have a bunch of forum nerds pick apart attempts, making people feel:

I do still think having "rankings" would be nice, but A) no one can agree on what exactly those ranks should be, and B) if we're being honest, rankings need to depend on class (an Enchanter soloing something is not the same thing as a Shadow Knight soloing that same mob).

Like I said, I really would like to see a good ranking system (ie. one that addresses classes, and that everyone agrees on) ... but until one exists, I don't see how people imposing their rankings on others make things better.

After Samoht and Zuranthium edited the wiki and changed the ranks and rules just to criticize and lower my kill, I wasn't even going to post the No Charge Kill video. But then Zuranthium took the liberty to post MY video anyways, just to tear down the kills even more. Not only did he completely change all of the ranks, but also he conveniently just happened to place a "buff limit" of TWO whole buffs to be eligible for his "buffed" rank, knowing that I had 3 buffs for the kill. So a kill which had NEVER been done before is suddenly somehow barely even good enough for his new lowest rank possible.

This guy Zuranthium doesn't even play EQ anymore by his own admission. And the Solo Artist Challenge has been around for over a decade... kinda funny how he never gave 2 shits about it at all until I posted a video soloing the King, and now he's on a crusade to impose his own rules and rankings, which will prevent any melee character from ever competing for the top rank kills. Gee, I wonder why he cares all of a sudden, after not doing or saying shit about it for the last 10+ years. But nooo, he's not doing any of this out of pettiness or spite, right?

The equivalent of a chanter (or any caster) killing with only self buffs, is a melee killing with no consumables. If people cannot understand that, then they clearly have never played a melee at end game, much less tried to solo anything challenging with it.

The challenge should award ranks based on the difficulty of the kill. This kill was at the very top of that difficulty ladder (hence why it had never been done before). How Zuranthium can claim that it deserves a lower rank (not just slightly lower, he gave it the LOWEST rank possible) than the 5 different chanters that have done with it relative ease is beyond me, and makes absolutely zero sense.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said, I really would like to see a good ranking system (ie. one that addresses classes, and that everyone agrees on) ... but until one exists, I don't see how people imposing their rankings on others make things better.

I think classes are too disparate to allow anything like that. The first SAC is basically a charm/lull challenge that other classes chose to partake in. Personally I'd like people to come up with a class challenge other people could compete within, with some crossovers if possible. I think it could lead to higher rate of participation.

Intra class hard grades would also be much simpler to deal with. Like a ranger could claim unhasted but if he has epic + sky cloak that's just different damage input compared to an unhasted SK or whatever.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After Samoht and Zuranthium edited the wiki and changed the ranks and rules just to criticize and lower my kill, I wasn't even going to post the No Charge Kill video. But then Zuranthium took the liberty to post MY video anyways, just to tear down the kills even more. Not only did he completely change all of the ranks, but also he conveniently just happened to place a "buff limit" of TWO whole buffs to be eligible for his "buffed" rank, knowing that I had 3 buffs for the kill. So a kill which had NEVER been done before is suddenly somehow barely even good enough for his new lowest rank possible.

This guy Zuranthium doesn't even play EQ anymore by his own admission. And the Solo Artist Challenge has been around for over a decade... kinda funny how he never gave 2 shits about it at all until I posted a video soloing the King, and now he's on a crusade to impose his own rules and rankings, which will prevent any melee character from ever competing for the top rank kills. Gee, I wonder why he cares all of a sudden, after not doing or saying shit about it for the last 10+ years. But nooo, he's not doing any of this out of pettiness or spite, right?

The equivalent of a chanter (or any caster) killing with only self buffs, is a melee killing with no consumables. If people cannot understand that, then they clearly have never played a melee at end game, much less tried to solo anything challenging with it.

The challenge should award ranks based on the difficulty of the kill. This kill was at the very top of that difficulty ladder (hence why it had never been done before). How Zuranthium can claim that it deserves a lower rank (not just slightly lower, he gave it the LOWEST rank possible) than the 5 different chanters that have done with it relative ease is beyond me, and makes absolutely zero sense.

Dude, Zuranthium changed a wiki page that five people read, for a week (the rankings are now gone entirely). That's all he did.

One hater does not in any way invalidate your accomplishment: you should stop acting like it does.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think classes are too disparate to allow anything like that. The first SAC is basically a charm/lull challenge that other classes chose to partake in. Personally I'd like people to come up with a class challenge other people could compete within, with some crossovers if possible. I think it could lead to higher rate of participation.

Intra class hard grades would also be much simpler to deal with. Like a ranger could claim unhasted but if he has epic + sky cloak that's just different damage input compared to an unhasted SK or whatever.

Right, the original list was more or less an Enchanter list, with an invitation for other classes to try it to. But if we're being honest, every class needs its own list: as you just noted, there are vast differences even between two melees.

I think Loraen did something incredibly cool in the original solo artist challenge, but instead of people thinking "how can we make things better?" it seems all anyone wants to do is compare penis sizes tear down each others' solos.

I think we should aim for better, and I think that means separate lists for each class, plus a (near) universal agreement among people who solo that class as to what "tiers" should exist.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After Samoht and Zuranthium edited the wiki and changed the ranks and rules just to criticize and lower my kill, I wasn't even going to post the No Charge Kill video. But then Zuranthium took the liberty to post MY video anyways, just to tear down the kills even more. Not only did he completely change all of the ranks, but also he conveniently just happened to place a "buff limit" of TWO whole buffs to be eligible for his "buffed" rank, knowing that I had 3 buffs for the kill. So a kill which had NEVER been done before is suddenly somehow barely even good enough for his new lowest rank possible.

This guy Zuranthium doesn't even play EQ anymore by his own admission. And the Solo Artist Challenge has been around for over a decade... kinda funny how he never gave 2 shits about it at all until I posted a video soloing the King, and now he's on a crusade to impose his own rules and rankings, which will prevent any melee character from ever competing for the top rank kills. Gee, I wonder why he cares all of a sudden, after not doing or saying shit about it for the last 10+ years. But nooo, he's not doing any of this out of pettiness or spite, right?

The equivalent of a chanter (or any caster) killing with only self buffs, is a melee killing with no consumables. If people cannot understand that, then they clearly have never played a melee at end game, much less tried to solo anything challenging with it.

The challenge should award ranks based on the difficulty of the kill. This kill was at the very top of that difficulty ladder (hence why it had never been done before). How Zuranthium can claim that it deserves a lower rank (not just slightly lower, he gave it the LOWEST rank possible) than the 5 different chanters that have done with it relative ease is beyond me, and makes absolutely zero sense.

This is correct. The evidence in this thread clearly shows Zuranthium and Samoht were trolling you. They ended up editing the wiki to troll you, and gloated about it. It still boggles the mind how Loramin took their side instead of yours at every turn. He didn't suspend Zuranthium or Samoht, he locked the page with their changes for a week, and then deleted your changes after the page was unlocked. He then removed the ranks entirely, effectively doing the same thing Zuranthium and Samoht did to you. I am still not sure why he thinks that was the correct course of action.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=442054

Zuranthium has taken it upon himself to write a Star Trek/Everquest/Game of Thrones fan fic to... punish you for having a few raid buffs that mathemarically add up to like 8 wort pot charges I guess? It is very strange.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=651

Here is the math showing the wort pot equivalent to OP's buffs of VoG + Aego + FoS. In that post I said 10 charges, but I forgot to include OP's regen and the fact he could use stave of shielding or dain hammer without those buffs. So its really like 7-8 wort pot charges if OP didn't have VoG + Aego + FoS. This is like 2100-2400 HP, which is less than a reaper. OP has 3.7k HP withpout FoS + Aego, and without Major/Arch Shielding.