In some ways TLPs play more classic than P99.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that even though P99 comes close to being classic, it doesn't play like Classic. I don't remember anyone leveling in UR or Mistmoore after Kunark came out. I remember the Sarnak Fort having a ton of groups in it, then going to the Giant Fort in FM, and then to OT, and then to DL, and then to KC, and then to Sebilis etc. Which BTW OT and DL still have a ton of groups in them on TLPs. I know I'm not just misremembering things. I know that was the general true classic pipe-line. It feels like so many people try to gas-light me into Kunark leveling not being the meta. There was 200+ people in LOIO on my server (my server was the first to split due to it's size). It's not even feasible that zones like UR and MM could have been viable leveling options. But I also remember trying to go back to UR because I missed it. Not only was it empty, the exp was just vastly inferior compared to LOIO.

OP you just missed the boat on P99. Blue server when Kunark launched there was plenty of action at the sarnak fort, around the lake and around the windmill area. I remember here not having any mobs to pull in there because there were 3 groups...and our puller getting lost running inside the fort to pull the ones pathing around in there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure if green had a similar spike in LOIO players or if everyone was too set in their ways by that point. Unfortunately the knowledge that LOIO has an awful ZEM is a big detractor.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You couldn't really camp anything because somebody could just form a cohort of dps classes

You can do the same thing. It becomes a matter of who wants it the most, plus a bit of luck since DPS fluctuates. Or you can just go somewhere else while there isn't a big crowd around a specific spawn. People are only capable of being in 1 place at a time. Currently most everything can be camped by a single player. If you bring back the classic rules and incentivize needing more players at a spawn in order to hold the camp down, it opens up other camps. Also makes Wizards relevant again.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(and nobody plays on red)

No body plays red because it's a solved game and old. And too easy. And neglected (a few simple fixes and unroot the dragons plz)

Hopefully this helps.

[wuanahto]

i didnt read the op but i did skim loramins post
you might think you want a fresh server but you dont. not only do we know what to do and what not to do we also had like 5 or 6 years to perfect it all.

that idea of a new server will only last a few weeks this time if that before industrialization sets in. you will be going from fighting about whos turn with the garg eye it is to buying jboots for your 12th alt

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was a giant wall of text, so I only skimmed it, but I think you're really just lamenting a fresh server.

When a server is fresh, the population is high, and people XP all over. When the population is low, the server gets unclassic, and everyone has to stick to the "XP highway" if they want to find a group.

Given that, it doesn't surprise me at all that TLPs would be more classic (in that respect): they release far more often.

In many ways this is true, but as someone who only discovered P99 shortly after Green launched, I longed deeply for Kunark to launch because I had soooo much nostalgia of being a kid, and running through FV passed all the scary spiders and leveling at the windmill, along the beach etc. eventually the Sarnak Fort, even Goblin Tunnels before ultimately heading to Frontier Mountains to hunt giants. But when Kunark launched, I was acually baffled when I rushed out to LOIO on my low level Iksar only to discover that I was the only person in the zone. Like IDK. LOIO is a true classic experience. The ZEM should be buffed or something. IMHO. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(and nobody plays on red)

I played on Red back when it had over a hundred active people online at any given time. I got to level 20 relatively fast, got a deputy camp in Misty Thicket, racked in hundreds of platinum and then realized there was no economy or anything to spend plat on. I never got PK'd or even saw another player. I saw people posting like Alex Jones in the global OOC though. Which was kind of entertaining, but it was a really lonely experience for me. I don't like playing EQ as a complete single player game :-\ it felt like I was actually offline.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP you just missed the boat on P99. Blue server when Kunark launched there was plenty of action at the sarnak fort, around the lake and around the windmill area. I remember here not having any mobs to pull in there because there were 3 groups...and our puller getting lost running inside the fort to pull the ones pathing around in there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure if green had a similar spike in LOIO players or if everyone was too set in their ways by that point. Unfortunately the knowledge that LOIO has an awful ZEM is a big detractor.

I've thought about this a lot and I genuinely have a lot of FOMO for missing out on the early days of Blue. I didn't discover P99 until the Lockdown / Pandemic. Frequently think about how I wish I had found it when it originally launched :-\

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can do the same thing. It becomes a matter of who wants it the most, plus a bit of luck since DPS fluctuates. Or you can just go somewhere else while there isn't a big crowd around a specific spawn. People are only capable of being in 1 place at a time. Currently most everything can be camped by a single player. If you bring back the classic rules and incentivize needing more players at a spawn in order to hold the camp down, it opens up other camps. Also makes Wizards relevant again.

I remember solo camping gator scale leggings for over 24 hours on my Monk back in like 1999. Periodically other players would show up and try to snipe me, but I could out DPS them. Then a high level Wizard showed up and I started having a meltdown due to lack of sleep and being a kid who had never stayed awake that long before. I remember panicking and begging my friends to come help me, and wondering if our collective damage would even be enough to stop a Wizard from one shotting the mob etc. (he ended up leaving anyways).

As someone who did play on TLP I never had a huge issue with KS'ing, what I did notice is that players were way more polite and willing to discuss things rather than risk pissing off a neighboring group who may in turn start stealing their mobs / camp. A few times I actually did have to log onto a high level character and start killing every mob in my camp after a PL group tried to show up and take over my group's camp. But for some reason it feels less toxic than the PNP does at times.

Also I was never in a huge guild on TLP, but we still managed to snipe a few world bosses from the top guild on our server just by pure luck. Had more people online when certain bosses spawned, more people in the right place at the right time etc. I feel like this type of behavior would be illegal on P99? I don't really raid on P99 so IDK if that's true, but from what I understand the top guild pretty much has exclusive rights to most of the content and guilds who contest that are banned?

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've thought about this a lot and I genuinely have a lot of FOMO for missing out on the early days of Blue. I didn't discover P99 until the Lockdown / Pandemic. Frequently think about how I wish I had found it when it originally launched :-\

Someone was trying to sell the first Jade Chokidai Prod (they claimed) for 9k plat in LOIO [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] That sweaty early access to HS and the pixels within was important to some fat cats.

[F0rmsh1fter]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also I was never in a huge guild on TLP, but we still managed to snipe a few world bosses from the top guild on our server just by pure luck. Had more people online when certain bosses spawned, more people in the right place at the right time etc. I feel like this type of behavior would be illegal on P99? I don't really raid on P99 so IDK if that's true, but from what I understand the top guild pretty much has exclusive rights to most of the content and guilds who contest that are banned?

If you read all the (unclassic) rules, raiding is actually illegal on p99