Claiming a camp

[Goregasmic]

Good to know. I guess I'd have to carry two ring of shadows and make a dwarf who can recharge them. Or find a vendor where I could convert currency into gems.

But at this point if I want to sell permafrost blocks I could ground xfer them to a barbarian mule and sell them. Sounds like a bigger hassle than it's worth but last time I went there I made like 1k per haul so after 10 levels in there you'd probably get some decent money.

But now that I think about it, wouldn't Sol A be essentially permafrost without the extra steps or it is a bit rougher?

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good to know. I guess I'd have to carry two ring of shadows and make a dwarf who can recharge them. Or find a vendor where I could convert currency into gems.

But at this point if I want to sell permafrost blocks I could ground xfer them to a barbarian mule and sell them. Sounds like a bigger hassle than it's worth but last time I went there I made like 1k per haul so after 10 levels in there you'd probably get some decent money.

But now that I think about it, wouldn't Sol A be essentially permafrost without the extra steps or it is a bit rougher?

Yeah, Sol A is similar to perma, just slightly higher level. Rough to start there before level 25 or so, where Perma you can start around level 15.

I've done Sol A> Sol B from 25-60 on 3 toons now, and I can't recommend it enough

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But now that I think about it, wouldn't Sol A be essentially permafrost without the extra steps or it is a bit rougher?

Nobody knows the ZEMs (and I've been lazy about starting "Project ZEM" to determine them), but I get the (subjective) sense that Perma's ZEM is significantly better than Sol A's.

I could be wrong, but I haven't heard anyone say that the bear pits XP has dropped recently, and that camp is universally recognized as crazy good XP (and you get the same ZEM for bears as for the goblins).

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could be wrong, but I haven't heard anyone say that the bear pits XP has dropped recently, and that camp is universally recognized as crazy good XP (and you get the same ZEM for bears as for the goblins).

It has, sadly. I levelled 2 shaman there. First shaman was 2021, when Perma had the (reportedly) highest ZEM in the game. At Level 59 I was getting 1% per 4 bears.

2nd Shaman (levelled in 2024) was much slower. About 10 bears per 1%.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, Sol A is similar to perma, just slightly higher level. Rough to start there before level 25 or so, where Perma you can start around level 15.

I've done Sol A> Sol B from 25-60 on 3 toons now, and I can't recommend it enough

Yeah the mob list in perma is jacked but it seems like lowest level goblin is level 11 while in solA it is 18. Perma has 144% bonus compared to the 119% of sol A, so doing 15-25 there seems to be a good choice before going to the other anyway (if those are remotely accurate). 144% would remain highest in game IIRC, even kedge is at 139%.

I know the monk treadmill is basically 1-20 kurns, 20-40 sol A, 40-60 sol B, don't see why it wouldn't work for other classes. Splitting/lulling sure does help a lot though.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know the monk treadmill is basically 1-20 kurns, 20-40 sol A, 40-60 sol B, don't see why it wouldn't work for other classes. Splitting/lulling sure does help a lot though.

Yep - the exact path I followed on my monk. But there's lots of packs of multiples in Sol A - using corners and FD to split mobs was crucial to being successful in both zones. There's also alot of shaman in Sol A, and while their heals don't mean much to a monk, rogue, warrior, ranger - for a cleric DPSing, it makes for long fights.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It has, sadly. I levelled 2 shaman there. First shaman was 2021, when Perma had the (reportedly) highest ZEM in the game. At Level 59 I was getting 1% per 4 bears.

2nd Shaman (levelled in 2024) was much slower. About 10 bears per 1%.

Was there a racial difference on the Shamans

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was there a racial difference on the Shamans

I thought this, perhaps - but only of 5% (Ogre to Troll)

I did , however - head there on my 59 Druid to check, and noticed 1% from every roughly 8 kills (1 clear of bottom pit) on Druid.


It could very well be that my Ogre sham in 2021 had very good luck with high level spawns on the bears - but I tested for about 20% exp on both the new (Troll) Sham and Druid - and it took ~210 (25-26 rounds of killing all 8 bears in lower) kills to get 20% of 59 on shaman, and ~160 (20 rounds of all 8 bears) to get 20% of 59 on Druid.

Compared to my first Shaman, who was able to get 2%+ per round of 8 bears. (Only requiring about 10 rounds to get 20% in 59)

[cd288]

Hmm I don't recall the staff ever posting a negative adjustment to Perma did they? Maybe I'm misremembering though.

They don't tell us what the ZEMs are specifically but they do tell us if they reduce or increase a ZEM in general

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm I don't recall the staff ever posting a negative adjustment to Perma did they? Maybe I'm misremembering though.

They don't tell us what the ZEMs are specifically but they do tell us if they reduce or increase a ZEM in general

Last change was November 2001 (shortly after I dinged 60 on my first Shaman)

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