Discussion: PvP Deaths (Item/Coin/XP Loot/Gain)

[dusk883]

Originally Posted by Yukahwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would people that dont want to fight come to pvp? I just liked more risk/more reward. Fighting naked casters all day is just the same as fighting geared casters if you cant loot the geared ones and you can loot the naked ones..except the naked ones are easier to kill.

Its alright guys.

There are tons of P99 players, IMO, that would come play at least part time on Red99 if there was no item loot. It's the straw that breaks their will to "come pvp". Remove item loot and the Red99 population picks up, IMO. Many won't even try beyond level 10 if there's item loot, or even a rumor of item loot. UO'ers back in the day said "what?? I get ONE item? Why cant i have ALL of their stuff??" It's all relative

[SearyxTZ]

Only way item loot works is if they comb the loot tables and add more NODROP tags.

Otherwise it's way way too imbalanced and fucks melees in the ass (when they're already screwed because of how classic is).


If players could feasibly gear MOST (not all) of their slots with decent no drop items, it would work. The problem is when some melee class is wearing all of his shit (because he has to, to stand a chance), and then his Breastplate of Awesome which he spent 8 hours farming for is taken by a naked caster.

[SearyxTZ]

I'm down to play item loot though -- I'll even roll a monk.


come at me bros

*breaks a beer bottle on the bar*

[Doors]

Item loot is stupid because casters can run around naked raping anyone. If Werhmacts stupid ass was still around he would be saying the same thing. While he was an idiot no doubt he was right about this aspect of item loot and how it favors casters way too much in an already dominant caster era of the game.

[Misto]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item loot is stupid because casters can run around naked raping anyone. If Werhmacts stupid ass was still around he would be saying the same thing. While he was an idiot no doubt he was right about this aspect of item loot and how it favors casters way too much in an already dominant caster era of the game.

If you're not stacking resist gear then you're doing it wrong.

[raptorak]

Is this server going to be the same as Blue 99? Because the melee hit/miss rate is just awful there, as is the exp rate (yeh so maybe I shouldn't be a troll SK). Are they keeping all that?

UO was cool because you could kill someone and take all their stuff (back when I played). Granted, usually it meant I was killed and people took all my stuff, but it was damn easy to get some really good, competitive gear in that game and you mainly worried about getting reagents for your spells (Corp Por! black pearl and nightshade still remember looting that shiznit!).

Basically UO was nothing like EQ so it could get away with no rules (at first) - 100 hp max and you could be a capable combo of warrior/archer/wizard if you wanted to. The best an item could do was about 50% more damage than the average, and then maybe have a few spell charges on it. The bows that I could carve with my newbie axe (which I spawned with) and the arrows made from leftover bark and feathers from a few killed birds meant I would be back in the game pretty quick. Kill a mage take his reagents, then blow away a fighter and you get his sword. Then get ganked and lose all your stuff again and have your decapitated head and various limbs strewn around for good measure.

And thieving was awesome in that game too (still don't know how those bastards did it! :P )

I digress. Anyway, in EQ, things work very differently and as people have said it is/was very caster based. What they did on T/VZ after many melee complained (and I agreed as a troll sk) was allow item loot but not of anything in a weapon slot. They also added that anything in a bag could not be taken. This meant that PVP battles usually began with me stripping off and shoving my armour into a backpack whilst waving my troll ass at whatever damn lighties had rooted me, then shadow stepping (more often than not into the welcoming arms of a sand giant). Poor warriors were more like chippendales than brave fighters. And of course, every single caster was naked with a staff, and in the end we all followed suit. Naked Trolls and Ogres stormed Gfay and gnomes streaked across the Oasis whilst halflings were pedobeared by tom bombadil. It was quite ludicrous.

After more (justified) whining the root spell was nerfed and warriors were given (deservedly) better magic resist - god warriors were awful even with that. At that time casters had to look at their spellbook to med, and as we all know sitting down usually results in a full damage hit to said caster. So there were more funny scenes as my troll brothers and I would swim through oasis and come up on the big pillar behind mezzing high elves - full power double attack bash in the face harm touch FTW :P Later my poor brother rolled a warrior and his first purchase was the argent defender just for that purpose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good times anyway, had a blast zerging Cazic Thule with the Minions of Zek, as a lieutenant helping to organize mass (suicide) raids into Gfaydark where most were slaughtered by guards and wandering npcs (no one was very high level it seemed). I remember the corpse runs vividly. And if anyone remembers a troll SK called Khwaj, you have a better memory than me!

[Kope]

Originally Posted by SearyxTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm down to play item loot though -- I'll even roll a monk.

In classic, monk was by far the least gear dependent melee class. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. Roll a warrior and i'll give you the props [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by raptorak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PVP battles usually began with me stripping off and shoving my armour into a backpack whilst waving my troll ass at whatever damn lighties had rooted me, then shadow stepping (more often than not into the welcoming arms of a sand giant). Poor warriors were more like chippendales than brave fighters. And of course, every single caster was naked with a staff, and in the end we all followed suit. Naked Trolls and Ogres stormed Gfay and gnomes streaked across the Oasis whilst halflings were pedobeared by tom bombadil. It was quite ludicrous.

laughed my a@@ off at that. good post tho, bro.

[raptorak]

Originally Posted by Gold [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If resists aren't fucked, a geared melee can drop a naked wiz/caster no problem.

One on one, yes - but naked casters tend to come in groups of 30.

[dusk883]

Originally Posted by raptorak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One on one, yes - but naked casters tend to come in groups of 30.

lmao