Velious Solo/Duo Challenge Official Thread (and Trio/Group)

[Zuranthium]

Loot is irrelevant to how strong a MOB is. Going by current info, Bravatar hits harder than Ayillish and Ionat. Definitely deserves to be in the same category as them if the info is correct (hopefully these challenges will help to get everything fully correct on the wiki).

[Danth]

Bratavar is weaker and has less health than Ayillish. On favorable occasions I've tanked Bratavar through (paired with the wife's shaman) without even needing an outside heal. However I would only rate Ayillish in particular as only about a half-tier higher than the basic +4's. Neordla tends to be a little tougher than Ayillish despite having equivalent "on paper" stats....for whatever reason it hits the upper end of its range more often. Entariz (sp?) is a bit tougher due to a stronger AE and Ionat is more dangerous than any of the above when not water-cheezing it due to silence AE.

Glati can be annoying because it's a gater...if fought at spawn it's basically on par with most of the above though. Cargalia can also be a jerk since it has the same nasty AE the other Vox-lookalike roamers have but it's also a shaman.

[Zuranthium]

I skipped Cargalia on the list it seems! Should be in Duo God.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ionat is more dangerous than any of the above when not water-cheezing it due to silence AE.

A user on wiki says they soloed Ionat without using water tanking, although I'm not sure if they used consumables to achieve it. Didn't sound like it, but how often does the silence land in your experience?

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Glati can be annoying because it's a gater...if fought at spawn it's basically on par with most of the above though.

Do you think Glati should be moved to God tier rather than Grandmaster? If the info is correct he has far less HP than Ayillish, although a 500 point breath rather than 250, plus the shaman spells. Can see that deserving to be in the same tier.

[Danth]

Ionat is annoying for the wife and I since we're in middle-tier gear with unremarkable resists. Someone with NTOV type resists on gear would probably shrug it off. Since the challenge can't account for gear, probably best to leave it where it's at. That's why the tiers have multiple monsters after all, gives players some ability to customize it to their own specific needs.

Uiliak is IIRC basically the exact same as the other "standard +4's." Most of them are cut-and-pastes of each other 'cept for model and resist type on AE (fire or cold). The Phara Dar lookalikes (Bufa and I think Nintal) hit for 300's instead of the usual low 200's for the +4's, but they don't hit max all that much and aren't really a special problem--same general tier just slightly harder within the tier. Roaming Vox lookalikes (Von, Cargalia, any of the Saparas) are hard due to nasty AE but you accounted for that.

Ayillish is hard to classify: Either harder than any of the basic plus 4's or weaker than anything else in its tier. It *barely* out damages the nest +4's (hence why it's such a popular target--easiest +6) and the main difference is a longer fight. It's even a trivial pull. I suppose this is why each tier requires miltiple distinct kills. Entariz is equivalent to Ayillish except with a 400 AE instead of 250. Players with high resist gear would find them equivalent and Entariz is the second-most-solo'd of the +6's. Entariz and Ionat can be tricky to pull due to close proximity to each other and Sontalak but once pulled normal rules apply.

I don't recall ever having pulled Travala...if I have I don't remember it. It's a quest mob and not much reason to pull it normally. It's red to 60 and mostly it's an annoying roamer you have to watch out for. Red to 60 makes me wonder if it belongs in the same tier as a relative weakling like Ayillish, but OTOH maybe Trav's weak for its level too. I have to defer to others' judgement on that one.

It's been a long time since I pulled Glati--more fuss than he's worth so he's usually ignored--but my recollection is the fight was hardly different than the normal plus 4's ignoring the gate (ie, fight it at spawn). Mainly it just dispells a lot and heals a bit. I don't recall the breath AE being an issue. It's harder than the nest +4's but weaker than stuff like Entariz or Ionat. If it were me I'd leave that one in the weaker tier just understanding it as a "tough" mob for the weaker tier.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loot is irrelevant to how strong a MOB is. Going by current info, Bravatar hits harder than Ayillish and Ionat. Definitely deserves to be in the same category as them if the info is correct (hopefully these challenges will help to get everything fully correct on the wiki).

I've fought Hechaeva and Bratavar many times, and I have videos. I have fought Ayillish and Ionat many times too.

Bratavar is not as hard as Ayillish and Ionat. You can check out my videos. I am not sure why you are refusing to take advice from players who have actually fought these mobs.

https://youtu.be/igpbLuNe0ls?feature=shared - Bratavar - Fight is from ~8 minute mark to ~21 minute mark to get Bratavar running. 13 minutes total. Max hit is 219.

https://youtu.be/uEgFcImQ9XU?feature=shared - Hechaeva - Fight is from ~ 1 minute 30 mark to ~13 minute mark to get Hechaeva running. 12 minutes total. Max hit is 219.

https://youtu.be/oPxeOVuX0G8?feature=shared - Ionat - Fight is from ~2 minute 30 mark to ~22 minute 30 mark to get Ionat running. 20 minutes total. Max hit is 237.

All 3 fights were using the same DPS strategy. The wiki is just wrong about bratavar. He doesn't hit for 300.