Bring back the Dark Men of Odus

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did the black streamer Levelup Larry who was in the guild think you guys were racist? I feel like the answer to that is a fucking hell of a lot more important than anything thought by the droves of well-meaning white people screaming racist from the sidelines. This is my biggest issue with "allies." Bleeding hearts who think their hearts are in the right place when they're really getting blood all over shit on behalf of another demographic who don't even care.

Do you know what an ad hominem argument is?

[Praxcthius]

Maybe if you looked at things through the lens of blood type versus skin color some of you dick tuckers might finally figure out racism is a hoax

[Duik]

Dick Tucker is my drag name. Leave her out of this!

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did the black streamer Levelup Larry who was in the guild think you guys were racist? I feel like the answer to that is a fucking hell of a lot more important than anything thought by the droves of well-meaning white people screaming racist from the sidelines.

It'd be interesting to know their thoughts, even just their feelings about the guild being disbanded.

But ITT there's really only been speculation about why the guild was disbanded, with then lead GM publicly stating that racism was one of the main reasons. Even the copy/pasted forum posts fall short of that, so considering livestreams are more public than RNF threads, chances are no one said anything to troll the popular livestreamer in their own guild.

Also, some of us don't belong to any one demographic, but have more ambiguous backgrounds, myself included. But jury's still out on whether that amounts to anything ITT.

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is my biggest issue with "allies." Bleeding hearts who think their hearts are in the right place when they're really getting blood all over shit on behalf of another demographic who don't even care.

Best I can tell, no one's trying to be an ally, unless those insults were meant for staff? But, even then, staff merely enforced the rules and then updated those rules to reflect their position on certain behaviors. The OP argument is that the guild was "canceled" unfairly and we are to believe something conspiratorial took place, rather than accept the reasons provided by Menden. Tough sell.

Whether the premise of the guild was genuine or not, there's no point in being offended for others or oneself. On the other hand, indifference isn't a great alternative either because of that whole paradox of tolerance thing. Regardless, actively trying to be offensive is a waste of time, energy, and a poor use of intelligence. It can be done well, but that requires humor and perspective. So unless they're working comedians, which seems unlikely, maybe stick to doing what nerd-related activities.

If offended that others seem to have taken offense, first recognize the dilemma in that, but then also question whether anyone else is actually offended or even mildly annoyed. This project is older the sin and some of the names involved have been around since the beginning. They earned a reputation for trolling/trying to be offensive. Due to the number of posts, it came to be expected from them and so, eventually, it stopped having the intended effect. All the same, breaking the rules is an offense. And always it is the case that certain people will test the waters or poke the bear and then /yell for help when the waters overtake them or the bear wakes from its slumber. The waters were the rules. The bear was the GM. Anyone wanting to repeat history probably wouldn't be deterred by any naysaying here.

Personally, it's just fun to consider the beginning, middle, and end of what all happened, but also frustrating without all of the information. It's also interesting to consider might have been, if the guild had been created by players with higher INT/WIS, which is ironic. Given that trolls have low scores in both, maybe they ought to start a new guild using that race only. Then, whenever they troll, they can legitimately use roleplay as an excuse or plead ignorance of the rules. No sarcasm at all. It would have been a clever answer to the events that played out. Instead, here we are, with this thread. If anything is offensive, it's offensive to not put effort into this, to not forth something more inspired than a thread that is lacking, roleplay among other things.

The creativity this game allows is part of what's worth discussing, more so than whether or not guild #15109 will get to reform. There had to be similar guilds back in the day.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's also interesting to consider might have been, if the guild had been created by players with higher INT/WIS, which is ironic.

More sad are these we daily see:

"It is, but hadn't ought to be."

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you know what an ad hominem argument is?

That's when you call someone gay, right?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's when you call someone gay, right?

Usually. If LuL favored a policy of jumping off bridges, would that be a good substitute for an argument to do so?

[Cecily]

What's a LuL? Lulsect? Lol? Something amusable? Is that an acronym?

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What's your country of origin / native language?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's a LuL? Lulsect? Lol? Something amusable? Is that an acronym?

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What's your country of origin / native language?

(L)evel (u)p (L)arry, the person you're arguing as ad hominem in the topic of DMO.

[Cecily]

So I'm using him as an attack? Do you know what ad hominess means? Because I never once called him gay. If anything I'd say I'm using him as an appeal to authority and the personal attack would be calling you people bleeding hearts.
Is it ok if I have a little logical fallacy, as a treat?